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Old December 21st, 2005, 01:10   #16
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I've got an m500 running on propane... but it'll be a cold day in hell when you get to add flame to the equation...

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Old December 21st, 2005, 01:28   #17
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I like the idea.
The heat factor would have to be dealt with like on a real firearm. So no cheap plastics.
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Old December 21st, 2005, 01:52   #18
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This idea sounds tres cool. I say we draw up some specs and gets some engineers to start this new revolution of airsoft guns. It would probably take a few years to make a good prototype that won't burn up or anything, but just think about the riches.
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Old December 21st, 2005, 01:52   #19
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I've pondered this idea for a while now. I thought it would be neat to make a very simple, small and touch mechanism that would fit into a copy of a mechbox shell. It would operate similar to a real gun if my fantasy of hooking it up with the cocking lever/handle and using the ejection port to help blast of exhaust and heat would some how come true. I was thinking, a small removable gas canister in the size of your average large, mini and stick batteries that would be stored in the same place and hook up to the mechbox in the same way as electric internals do. Now of course, alot of people have already taken the "best" route and have bought plastic TM guns. I'm sure we wouldn't be seeing to many a' TM guns sold if this were completed.

Hmm, maybe my mind gets little too creative.
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Old December 21st, 2005, 01:59   #20
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So...other than getting 50K shots from a $3 tank, what advantages would there really be?
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Old December 21st, 2005, 02:06   #21
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there are very few moving parts elementry mechanical engineering principles tell us that the less moving parts the less complex the device, that equates into a greater Mean rounds between failure rate. something that typical airsoft guns have a problem with presently. This could be the wave of the future, if the heat disapation factor can be addressed, having said that there are lots of ways to counter act that.
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Old December 21st, 2005, 02:10   #22
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I don't think it would be a good idea due to the fact then "the man" would try to classify airsoft as a firearm and then we'd be all out throwing bb's at each other. As soon as you combust a propellant ,to "fire" a "projectile", I'm betting things would be worse then better for us as a community.
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Old December 21st, 2005, 02:29   #23
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I don't think it would be a good idea due to the fact then "the man" would try to classify airsoft as a firearm and then we'd be all out throwing bb's at each other. As soon as you combust a propellant ,to "fire" a "projectile", I'm betting things would be worse then better for us as a community.

bingo. the minute the general sheeple hear that your "imitation army gun" uses explosivess they will freak and you can bet those guns will fall under firearm registration.

Nonetheless I have read some reviews of the C3 and it is definetly interesting. For us who sometimes paintball in the winter, the C3 is definetly better than using co2.
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There are precidents already set for butane powered devices like nailguns. They don't exceed the muzzle energy or FPS limits so they're not firearms. Neither are gunpowder propelled nail drivers.
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Old December 21st, 2005, 02:48   #25
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Intentionally burying an idea because of what someone else might think about it is insane, in my humble opinion.

Damn, I wonder how many good ideas just vanish because of shit like that.

Anyhow, the attitude should be "it can be done, we just haven't figured out how yet..."
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Old December 21st, 2005, 03:13   #26
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The main advantages woule be you could use it in lower temp, the velocity would be more regulated, and propane is available at any corner store so it brings the game to people who don't have access to a c02-nitro-HPA fill station. People who live in remote area could order paint and the guns online anf just buy propane canisters instead of possibly driving hours to find a c02 fill. I can deffinatly see a market for this.
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Old December 21st, 2005, 03:24   #27
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The "BANG" "whreee" or even 'pop' of a gbb is also nifty
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Old December 21st, 2005, 03:24   #28
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I'm sold. When can I get this that shoots 6mm and comes in the shape of an AK?
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Old December 21st, 2005, 03:45   #29
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there are factors which prevent a low pressure propane (combustion starting from 1atm) from fitting into an airsoft replica. Pball guns can tolerate big expansion chambers which look goofy in an airsoft gun. You just can't scale them down unless you're willing to tackle some really difficult problems like developing an airtight seal which opens on detonation and can handle 1967C.

I actually did build some proof of concept airsoft propane combustion chambers a year or two ago. If you want to read up on a summary of work from that era of abandoned enterprise:

http://www.airsoftmechanics.com/phpB...t=181&start=15

It's just not possible to get rapid flame propagation in a low pressure combustion setup that's slender enough to fit into an airsoft replica. Unless you're willing to make a Pancor Jackhammer which already looks like a pball gun.
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Old December 21st, 2005, 04:44   #30
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And there MadMax comes in and saying smart thing kills our dreams.... as usuall. DAMN YOU SCIENCE!
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