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Old June 9th, 2015, 17:36   #1
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Why some game dont allow ESS goggle?

Why some event and games dont allow Ess goggle?

Field owner rules --> assurance?
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Old June 9th, 2015, 18:01   #2
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Must have been a paintball field.Painball field insureance will not accept ballistic lenses, even tho they are probably stronger or at least equal to a PB goggle they dont carry the propper safety rating, likeANSI standard Z87.1 as an example is not a paintball rated goggle.
ASTM handels PB stuff as far as I know.
now some PB fields will allow ballistic lenses on days there are not any paintballers (ie in the winter) but most airsoft only fields will allow any ballistic rated full seal goggles, that doesnt mean that china clone ess will be ok, but I can say I have tested china ESS fan goggles from ASD with a 500fps bolt action point blank and had no shattering or penetration with bb weights from .20-.43g
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Old June 9th, 2015, 18:10   #3
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Here is a post from an old thread, it goes into details about an almost opposite question. Someone wanted some lenses for airsoft that also met Z87.1 (thats prety much your standard safety glasses, deffinately not safe for airsoft, likely couldnt survive 1 point blank shot, or even 1 at 50 feet and for sure not multiple hits. What you really want/need for airsoft (unless your playing at a PB field) Is something with the MIL-DTL-43511D those will stop multiple strikes with real ammo, and fragmentation devices.
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ANSI Z87.1+ rated eyewear is not rated for paintball or airsoft. It does not meet the requirements of multiple strikes. I don't know why you would need that.

This means a ton of paintball eye protection won't have ansi rating because ansi ratings mean nothing when it comes to paintball masks. This shows that the host is just slapping a label on something because they think it's safe.

Most eye wear used in airsoft has to meet the MIL-PRF-31013, clause 3.5.1.1 for glasses or MIL-DTL-43511D, clause 3.5.10 for goggles as these are the only ratings that use multiple strikes. Most ballistic eyewear (wiley-x, revision, ess, etc) surpasses theses military standards.
And here is the thread for reference.
http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=124285
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Old June 9th, 2015, 18:11   #4
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As Hectic said, it is usually paintball fields that do not allow ESS goggles (or other non-paintball goggles).

The insurance on the field requires paintball rated goggles, and ESS goggles are not specifically rated for paintball.
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Old June 9th, 2015, 18:35   #5
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What I wanna know is why places require full seal when I can wear dollar store sunglasses to the range.. Lol
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Old June 9th, 2015, 19:11   #6
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Simple answer is insurance regulations.
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Old June 9th, 2015, 19:11   #7
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Because insurance companies are third party and your eyes are at high risk at an airsoft/paintball field. Any place that has paintball insurance requires full seal to make their insurance valid and covers both sports with one insurance. Wearing dollar store glasses shooting isn't terribly smart. It's unlikely shrapnel, recoil or a casing will hit your eye, but still not intelligent.
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Makes sense. I wear ESS ICE when I shoot but just stating the point that it's allowed and kind of silly
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What I wanna know is why places require full seal when I can wear dollar store sunglasses to the range.. Lol

At the range, the target rarely shoots back
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Old June 9th, 2015, 19:36   #10
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Makes sense. I wear ESS ICE when I shoot but just stating the point that it's allowed and kind of silly
Those are for shooting. Not being shot at.
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Old June 10th, 2015, 01:28   #11
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Those are for shooting. Not being shot at.
In fact ICE are:
Safety Standards: This ICE™ eyeshield is compliant with U.S. MIL SPEC MIL-PRF-31013 (Clause 3.5.1.1), ANSI Z87.1-2010, CE EN 166 and U.S. Federal OSHA. All ESS lenses provide 100% UVA/UVB protection.
(for smoke lens http://www.esseyepro.com/ICE-ONE-Smo...html#_overview )

You can be shot back with that goggle :P
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Old June 10th, 2015, 01:39   #12
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Here is a post from an old thread, it goes into details about an almost opposite question. Someone wanted some lenses for airsoft that also met Z87.1 (thats prety much your standard safety glasses, deffinately not safe for airsoft, likely couldnt survive 1 point blank shot, or even 1 at 50 feet and for sure not multiple hits. What you really want/need for airsoft (unless your playing at a PB field) Is something with the MIL-DTL-43511D those will stop multiple strikes with real ammo, and fragmentation devices.


And here is the thread for reference.
http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=124285
Means you can be shot multiple time in the face with real weapon and the goggle still ok, but it's not airsoft proof on paintball field because insurance...

Tell me if I do/say a mistake...
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Old June 10th, 2015, 01:41   #13
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Deleted the pics a long time ago, but I'm never wearing ICE glasses again. Their quality went down the drain when they got bought by oakley. The crossbows are good, but the ICE line just fell apart.
http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthr...&highlight=ess

They'll take hits when they're brand new, but their design inherently makes cracks in the lenses causing serious weak points and negating all protection.
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What I wanna know is why places require full seal when I can wear dollar store sunglasses to the range.. Lol
Like someone else said, at the range you generally don't get shot at. Without a full seal there is always the possibility of someone shooting you at just the right angle to slip under your eye pro and hit your eye. I've also seen someone wearing goggles have a BB ricochet off the inside of them and into his eye.

The shooting range and the airsoft field are two different places and situations, what works for one place doesn't work for the other.
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Means you can be shot multiple time in the face with real weapon and the goggle still ok, but it's not airsoft proof on paintball field because insurance...

Tell me if I do/say a mistake...
Thats corrct, the mil spec stuff is definately stronger than painball goggles, just they dont submit them for that testing because they are not in the paintball business. The paintball fields know (at least most of them know) that the goggles ars better, however they are missing 2 things that paintball goggles are required to have. 1 being the rating as paintball safe, and seccond being full face coverage (alot of pb fields require full face for under 18, and some its across the board)
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