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Old March 12th, 2015, 11:37   #1
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So much pistol brand. LOST

Too much brand, I don't know what the low-mid-high range. They are all looking good on picture.
KSC ->Mid?
KWA ->Mid?
KWC -> Low?
KJW ->High?
WE ->Mid?
WA ->High?

I'm looking for a pistol with a great stock accuracy, I don't care about the FPS.
Is there a model (deagle, M1911, M9, Mk23, etc...) that has better accuracy and better range in general?

Should I avoid some model?
Should I consider CO2 over Green Gas? Or just taking the more aesthetic model?
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Old March 12th, 2015, 11:42   #2
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TM master race.

TM Deagle
TM 1911 - Night Warrior, Striker, Desert Warrior, 1911A1, 70 Series, etc.
TM Hi-Capa - 5.1, 4.3 frame
TM M92F, M92FS, M9A1
TM MK23 - NBB, silent, stupid accurate.

Green Gas/Propane is the easier route.
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Old March 12th, 2015, 11:47   #3
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I didnt include TM because they are too pricey for me
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Old March 12th, 2015, 11:52   #4
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TM and KSC/KWA(same company) are great out of the box, with strong aftermarket support. TM has an excellent hopup and KWA have high quality metal externals out of the box, and are made from the ground up to operate on propane/gg. I recommend the MK23 from either company as an accurate sidearm with good gas efficiency and a high capacity magazine- TM if you don't mind a plastic slide and no blowback, kwa if you need that realism. Neither will let you down.
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Old March 12th, 2015, 11:55   #5
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Tm all the way man. The saying You get what you pay for truly applies here.
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Old March 12th, 2015, 11:58   #6
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also in my experience- don't be fooled by cheaper pistols...if you spend 200 on a WE instead of 300 on a tm, you'll be putting 100 into the pistol afterwards to get it working like the TM that it's been cloned from. These things are too expensive to be impulse buys regardless, saving up for a bit longer for higher quality will also save you a lot of grief on the field.
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Old March 12th, 2015, 12:01   #7
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Then you have been looking in the wrong places. TM pistols can be found under 300$ quite easily. To fix your listing:

KSC -> High.
KWA -> High (mostly the same products as KSC but with cost cutting on a few parts).
KWC -> Very low to mid depending on model.
KJW -> Mid, usually pretty durable too.
WE -> Very low to mid depending on model. High lemon rate.
WA -> High but mostly unavailable in Canada.
TM -> Highest quality.
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Quote:
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I didnt include TM because they are too pricey for me
Then you're excluding the best choices there is.

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also in my experience- don't be fooled by cheaper pistols...if you spend 200 on a WE instead of 300 on a tm, you'll be putting 100 into the pistol afterwards to get it working like the TM that it's been cloned from.
Except it still won't work as good as the TM.
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Old March 12th, 2015, 12:03   #9
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TM just has this magic.. it shoots so good out of the box :|

Japanese innovation yo.
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Old March 12th, 2015, 12:11   #10
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I think I will go a bit off the path here.

Although TM's are widely regarded as the highest possible choice for a pistol (followed closely by KWA), these are what I consider cons about TM:
1) All polymer (which is alright for some, and the plastic slide allows for crazy good gas efficiency)
2) Cannot take CO2 (again, alright for some, but in Canada, as the weather gets colder, green gas efficiency drops, as opposed to CO2)
3) Really expensive (and that cost will grow if you get a metal kit for it)

KWA is great for stock reliability, accuracy, gas efficiency, all that jazz. However, the internals are proprietary, making upgrades and repairs difficult. If it breaks on you, if the part is uncommon, odds are you are SOL and stuck with an expensive paperweight.

With those in mind, I will recommend KJW to you. KJW is
1) 100% TM compatible (and partially compatible with quite a few other brands too)
2) full metal
3) works great out of the box
4) compatible with CO2
5) less expensive than TM and some KWA models

KJW is less gas efficient than both TM and KWA, but other than that, you get the best of both companies in KJW.

As for models, KJW is known for their workhorse M9. I have one, most members of my team have one, and these things just keep on going. Their P226 is supposedly quite good too, but you'll have to replace the knocker valve on those almost immediately ($15 part). Their 1911 (KP07) and 2011 (KP05/KP06/KP08) have mixed reviews, although the general consensus is once you properly maintain them, they work beautifully.

Go to a retailer that has a bunch of pistols in store, and feel them in your hand. This will really impact your decision, because a lot of pistols may feel comfortable or uncomfortable (I can't stand Glocks; M9s are a little big in the grip; 1911s/2011s are perfect for me; Sigs and HKs are iffy). So find a model you like first in both ergonomics and looks, and then narrow your brand down. I'm not sure why a bunch of people above are recommending the MK23; the thing is a freaking monster, and the grip is gigantic... It's like HK's version of the Deagle.

Good luck.

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Old March 12th, 2015, 12:21   #11
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I'm indifferent with KWA, had a brand new USP, trigger snapped after three games.

No experience with KJW, but I disliked their P226.

Here's a gameplay video of my TM M&P9 out of the box @ Mach1 Airsoft. Cleaned and lubed, didn't dial the hop-up in at all, on .25's.

Was in December, cold outside, in doors was about 10 degrees? Didn't have any cool-down issues or such that I noticed, but people running WE GBBR had cool down problems and couldn't cycle through a full mag :P.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJTDuCqmiss

Only downside, not many retailers carry TM's for you to hold.. the newer TM's quality on the plastic feel great.
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Old March 12th, 2015, 12:36   #12
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Datawraith, OP wanted suggestions for a pistol with excellent stock accuracy, hence the mk23 recommendations. That gun's giant grip has also made it possible for me to run it while wearing gloves with zero issues. The TM deagle is also impressively accurate. Neither are great if you have small hands though lol

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Old March 12th, 2015, 12:38   #13
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I have experience with KJW, TM and WE.

WE hicappa 5.1 is a big fat turd sandwich. Less than a dozen mags through it and the midframe is already cracked.

TM mk23 was rock solid but the plastic body and no blowback just didn't feel "right"

KJW 1911. Has been my mainstay sidearm for a few years. Lots of aftermarket parts on this one but it has always been a very good piece of kit. It's been a love hate relationship but I've had 0 issues with it that weren't a result of upgrade parts or user error and any problems I have had were solved.
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Old March 12th, 2015, 12:40   #14
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TM.

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Old March 12th, 2015, 12:40   #15
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Umm, augherk, pistol model doesn't affect accuracy. Quality of internals affects accuracy; hence TM and KWA are regarded as the most accurate due to their quality internals. A better barrel, better hopup, etc.

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