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Old October 7th, 2013, 01:33   #16
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Why do people even cheap out on eye-wear? Honestly your eyes are probably one of the most valuable things in your life. Using sunglasses or swimming goggles for airsoft is just the dumbest shit I've ever heard. Eye vision is priceless. Shaking my head at those who take the risk while saving a dollar or two.
The glasses the OP has weren't sunglasses. They were proper ballistic shooting glasses and they're not cheap, around $125 MSRP IIRC. Basically the same as the CF issued Sawfly's or whatever, they're still ballistics just not sealed. They'll prevent you from having your eye taken out in a direct hit but not if it bounces at a weird angle and gets inside.
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Old October 7th, 2013, 10:45   #17
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Although it's a tad bit more expensive in the short run, I can vouch for wearing contact lenses and Smith Optic LoPros.
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Old October 7th, 2013, 10:57   #18
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Astigmatism, extremely near-sightedness, and a reactive inflammatory issue make contacts a no-go. I envy you people who can use contacts.

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Old October 7th, 2013, 11:10   #19
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Old October 7th, 2013, 12:05   #20
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The way I see it is that unless your wearing full seal (JT Masks and goggles are great and mine almost never fog and I play indoor CQB mostly) your safe. Any, and i mean any Glasses (most of which are made for Real Steel shooting, not for shooting small 6mm bb's at them) will have risk of bb's going underneath. I dont care how tight or well they fit your face, your skin and move and compress and a bb can find its way in. I never found it to be a good idea to risk the safety of my eyes (something that at the current point in time) cannot be replaced....imagine how stupid one would feel for losing partial or complete use of their eye beucase they needed to wear the cool glasses instead of the protective full seal goggles....
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Old October 7th, 2013, 12:52   #21
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Everyone has a different appetite for risk.

My personal setup is: Revision desert locust with thermal lens & custom cut lower mesh that sits on top of the goggle and provides a complete seal over the nose / cheek area so that no bb can enter. I imagine there is still a small chance that a bb could enter from somewhere but this is my personal appetite.

This post was just food for thought. When I started playing airsoft over 10 years ago the field I rented equipment from back in the UK used to hand out mesh goggles. Having since had countless BB shrapnel in my mouth from shattering on my lower mesh I can see how dangerous that was at the time.
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Old October 7th, 2013, 12:52   #22
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Risk is something that should be managed by the individual.. choices = consequences

Minimum protection is ballistic shooting glasses. This is NOT effective protection, or complete protection.

This is what I wear when I am not a target, Hosting, or running games.

Any time I have been in a fight with this kind of protection, I felt a bit vulnerable, to the degree that it affected my tactical choices.

If you are rock climbing.. fitness, good shoes and chalk are "minimum" protection against falling... most people won't climb with out secondary protection, and new climbers should have secondary protection and full on belay until they know enough about the risks to make informed choices.

wearing "minimum protection" is what you do when you are skilled enough to mitigate the risks. I see a lot of new guys on the field wearing ballistic glasses.. and they have no idea that their eyes are at risk due to this choice. .. It takes an event like this one ( eye strike ) to bring into focus exactly what is at risk.
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Old October 7th, 2013, 13:17   #23
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If your sunglasses offer full coverage, ballistic protection, and the frames are also rated, it should be a non-issue. I'd also recommend a strap to hold them on to your head. One thing people forget, is that once a lense is struck or scratched, it's now no longer considered viable as a safety lense.
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Old October 7th, 2013, 20:11   #24
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Risk is something that should be managed by the individual.. choices = consequences

Minimum protection is ballistic shooting glasses. This is NOT effective protection, or complete protection.

This is what I wear when I am not a target, Hosting, or running games.

Any time I have been in a fight with this kind of protection, I felt a bit vulnerable, to the degree that it affected my tactical choices.

If you are rock climbing.. fitness, good shoes and chalk are "minimum" protection against falling... most people won't climb with out secondary protection, and new climbers should have secondary protection and full on belay until they know enough about the risks to make informed choices.

wearing "minimum protection" is what you do when you are skilled enough to mitigate the risks. I see a lot of new guys on the field wearing ballistic glasses.. and they have no idea that their eyes are at risk due to this choice. .. It takes an event like this one ( eye strike ) to bring into focus exactly what is at risk.
This!

It's all about informed risk. Doctors do this all the time, when I went in for a CT scan they told me there was a risk that I could die I was informed and decided to continue with the procedure regardless (because of something else). Same as when my doctor told me the options for my surgery and the risks associated with each of them. Same with wearing safety gear when I'm riding my bike. Full face is great and all, I know the risks of dumping your bike and needing reconstructive jaw surgery or skin grafts or what have you but sometimes I'll just wear a "brain bucket" if I'm out for a short ride to the grocery store and back.

@ Brian; shoes and chalk are definitely the minimum. There's a guy who does free solo climbs of big walls (Alex Honold I think his name is), balls of fucking steel man. He realizes if he falls he's done and is fully aware of the risks but still chooses to free solo. I don't even lead climb (yet) it's all top roping, trad climbing is probably the most I'll ever do.
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Old October 7th, 2013, 23:57   #25
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This!

It's all about informed risk. Doctors do this all the time, when I went in for a CT scan they told me there was a risk that I could die I was informed and decided to continue with the procedure regardless (because of something else). Same as when my doctor told me the options for my surgery and the risks associated with each of them. Same with wearing safety gear when I'm riding my bike. Full face is great and all, I know the risks of dumping your bike and needing reconstructive jaw surgery or skin grafts or what have you but sometimes I'll just wear a "brain bucket" if I'm out for a short ride to the grocery store and back.

@ Brian; shoes and chalk are definitely the minimum. There's a guy who does free solo climbs of big walls (Alex Honold I think his name is), balls of fucking steel man. He realizes if he falls he's done and is fully aware of the risks but still chooses to free solo. I don't even lead climb (yet) it's all top roping, trad climbing is probably the most I'll ever do.
I used to free climb, in my stupid youth, a 10 m fall cured me of that lunacy
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Old October 8th, 2013, 00:21   #26
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Well fortunately we can force people to be safe.

Had a kid in millwright college, never wore his safety glasses cause he thought they made him look stupid. Didn't realize he was in a class with adults and we all thought he was a fucking retard for NOT wearing them. He didn't last long lol
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Old October 8th, 2013, 15:04   #27
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Well fortunately we can force people to be safe.

Had a kid in millwright college, never wore his safety glasses cause he thought they made him look stupid. Didn't realize he was in a class with adults and we all thought he was a fucking retard for NOT wearing them. He didn't last long lol
We can't really force anyone to be safe, we can set standards, and make recommendations.

On this past weekend, I ran a CQB training course .. I set no FPS limits, so we had guns running over 400 with .28 ( gas guns )

still there were guys running in short sleeves with ballistic glasses .. and some very nasty bleeders resulting. When you get tagged from 2 feet with guns running that hot.. damage ensues.

My recommendation to Candidates was full cover with full face protection.. most followed the recommendation and emerged unscathed, those that did not shared their blood with the group.

If you take a bleeder anywhere.. it's your fault.. not the guy who pulled the trigger. If someone blows out your eye because you chose minimum protection, it's your fault.. not the trigger puller's

But that does not make the guy who maimed you feel any better about it.

wearing appropriate protection saves angst for everyone.
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Old October 8th, 2013, 15:56   #28
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Well that's not enforcing safety Brian, that's just you SUGGESTING safety and leaving discretion up to the individual lol

What I mean is, if you feel a certain level of protection is required, then make it mandatory.

New guys and old guys can't be trusted to set their own level of protection because they really have no idea what they're getting in to, or they think they know better. Most of them think $3 safety glasses from princess auto are a great deal, and I've seen two old guys wear actual glass prescription glasses in the field.

When it comes to cosmetic damage, getting shot in the bridge of the nose, skin, crack some finger bones, whatever no big deal, that all heals up fine.
I'm sure you agree that it falls under our responsibility as hosts and admins to set the safety bar for a given game. So if we know it's going to be heavy CQB, we can absolutely make face protection mandatory to save someone a few thousand dollars of fake teeth lol

My general guideline, since I've been playing a long time with just safety glasses, is if I myself feel I should be raising my level of protection, then it should be mandatory for everyone. All other cases, either recommend it or leave it up to the individual.

As far as this thread goes, just examine the safety record of glasses. Most players across the nation have been using glasses for over a decade with extremely rare cases of a safety incident. There's been more cases of retards getting shot through untested gas masks than glasses.
So like a plane crash, you don't ban all plane travel as soon as one airplane falls out of the sky. It's a great reminder to keep up on personal safety, but there's nothing wrong with wearing properly fitting glasses.
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Old October 8th, 2013, 18:00   #29
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Well that's not enforcing safety Brian, that's just you SUGGESTING safety and leaving discretion up to the individual lol

What I mean is, if you feel a certain level of protection is required, then make it mandatory.

New guys and old guys can't be trusted to set their own level of protection because they really have no idea what they're getting in to, or they think they know better. Most of them think $3 safety glasses from princess auto are a great deal, and I've seen two old guys wear actual glass prescription glasses in the field.

When it comes to cosmetic damage, getting shot in the bridge of the nose, skin, crack some finger bones, whatever no big deal, that all heals up fine.
I'm sure you agree that it falls under our responsibility as hosts and admins to set the safety bar for a given game. So if we know it's going to be heavy CQB, we can absolutely make face protection mandatory to save someone a few thousand dollars of fake teeth lol

My general guideline, since I've been playing a long time with just safety glasses, is if I myself feel I should be raising my level of protection, then it should be mandatory for everyone. All other cases, either recommend it or leave it up to the individual.

As far as this thread goes, just examine the safety record of glasses. Most players across the nation have been using glasses for over a decade with extremely rare cases of a safety incident. There's been more cases of retards getting shot through untested gas masks than glasses.
So like a plane crash, you don't ban all plane travel as soon as one airplane falls out of the sky. It's a great reminder to keep up on personal safety, but there's nothing wrong with wearing properly fitting glasses.

I set the minimum, and recommend the prudent .. I agree there is nothing wrong with wearing the minimum, as long as you know and understand the risks.
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Old October 15th, 2013, 17:15   #30
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HackD, I too have an Astigmatism. I wear Toric Contact lenses & recommend them for everyday use. For long ops it didn't work wearing them much beyond 12 hours. Having said that I went to Revision Desert Locust goggles with the Rx insert. For $80 Lenscrafters made me polycarb lenses within 24 hours. I will not go back. I love the goggles with the Rx inserts. I have worn them in 30C 98% humidity and they worked great. I did remove the foam dust filter around the edge for better ventilation and that helped a lot. Cheers

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