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Old September 17th, 2013, 23:51   #46
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Did it on a Starrett Grade A granite plate with a Mitutoyo Series 912 height gage.

BBB probably has a more expensive and specialized method to test bbs.
Ok that's probably fine, I was thinking it was some ghetto setup and drawing wild conclusions from that.

And you never know, to make things commercially viable sometimes you do have to use "poor mans" setups like that if it's deemed "good enough" for the application. It's not like they test every BB, they probably take a couple samples from each batch and extrapolate based on that (kind of like how stringent SNELL testing is with needing to test every batch).
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Old September 18th, 2013, 00:37   #47
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Ok that's probably fine, I was thinking it was some ghetto setup and drawing wild conclusions from that.

And you never know, to make things commercially viable sometimes you do have to use "poor mans" setups like that if it's deemed "good enough" for the application. It's not like they test every BB, they probably take a couple samples from each batch and extrapolate based on that (kind of like how stringent SNELL testing is with needing to test every batch).
I'm familiar with SNELL testing. I raced superbikes.
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Old September 18th, 2013, 02:15   #48
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I'm familiar with SNELL testing. I raced superbikes.
As an aside, that's REALLY cool.

I'm not into the Superbike thing anymore (I was when I was like 16 and Busas, Gixxers, and ZX12/14's were cool) although if I did get one I'd probably get an EBR XB12, 1125, or 1190RS. I'm actually into the Adv. Touring, hooliganing, and stunting thing now (but still saving up any money that would otherwise go to beer into my bike fund and even though everyone tells me not to, I'm going to buy brand new for my first bike and it'll be the new Duke 390 with a crash cage around the frame in case I drop it).
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Old September 18th, 2013, 07:53   #49
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Since we are being specifically mentioned in this thread I think its appropriate for us to speak to the question stated on testing and quality control.

We do manufacture our BBs overseas. Its simply not viable in terms of price to have them made here. Its not that its technically impossible, and the BB would be much higher quality in terms of quality, but labor costs, material costs and business overhead would make them quite expensive.

That leaves us with Southeast Asian manufacturing and the risks that are inherent in any product from those regions. Questionable material content and quality control.

This is a list (non-exhaustive) of what we do to mitigate these problems (I can't speak for other manufacturers here)

1 - Manufacturer Relationship - We have been dealing with the same manufacturer since day one. This allows us to have a greater degree of latitude when pushing back on quality issues and experimenting on new ideas and designs.

2 - FTIR Testing - We get our batches (particularly the ECO line) tested via Fourier Transform Infrared Spectroscopy at the University of Toronto to make sure that there we are getting EXACTLY what we ordered. We deal with government entities and have to be sure when we say its biodegradable it actually is, its the biodegradable we actually want, and that the regular product doesn't have lead or dead baby parts in it.

3 - Batch Testing - We test over much larger samples than other manufacturers. Most sample in a range of 30-500 BBs when they do bother to test. We perform third party testing across a minimum of 1000 rounds per sample, and have done tests across 10,000 rounds. When we say our BBs are +/- 0.01, its over a much larger sample. Hitting a quality goal is easy over 5 BBs. Doing across large samples is much harder to do.

4 - Shipping Controls - We have a specific series of packaging measures that reduce shipping damage to our products, specifically (but not limited to) crush and friction damage.

5 - New Serialize Bags, Same Old Warranty - We can track performance across all our orders now via the serialization of our products, and we always stand by our warranty. If you are not 100% satisfied your money back.

While we believe our product will work properly and to a high standard of performance in more guns than any other manufacturer, there are some guns that work better on other brands and that just the way it is. We will always try to do better and strive to make that list as small as possible.

This isn't meant as an ad. Its just filling in the blanks for the folks that wondered how things are done, at least at BB Bastard.
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Old September 18th, 2013, 10:25   #50
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0.30g, 0.36g, and 0.40g would awesome in a bio round by the way.
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Old September 19th, 2013, 14:24   #51
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Old September 19th, 2013, 14:40   #52
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0.30g, 0.36g, and 0.40g would awesome in a bio round by the way.
This!
Come on BBB! Hurry up
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Old September 19th, 2013, 20:34   #53
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Old September 19th, 2013, 23:22   #54
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Thanks for taking the time to post Blackthorne....good info.
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Old September 20th, 2013, 02:17   #55
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Old September 20th, 2013, 09:15   #56
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This turned out to have lots of info
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Old September 20th, 2013, 10:03   #57
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Just to add above and clarify. Just because multiple brands use the same factory does not make them the same bb.
Quality etc. Not everyone pays for double polish. Some will accept lesser bbs. Etc.

Bastards all the way.

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Old September 20th, 2013, 12:02   #58
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Why stop at double polish? BBB should polish until it is a mirror finish and set the highest standard.

Madbull can easily request for quadtruple polish and easily beat out BBB.
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Old September 20th, 2013, 13:17   #59
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I've tried Madbull BBs a few times, and tragedy struck each time. Maybe it was a bad batch, but all our mags jammed, hop-ups jammed, BBs chopped. This from several people. The only guns that didnt have an issue, were a few V2 AEGs with standard hop-ups and 6.08 barrels. Even then the performance wasn't great, but nowhere near Bastards, even on good day
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Old September 20th, 2013, 13:22   #60
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^This same thing happened with several bags of BB Bastards my team was using. I myself have never had any issues with BBBs, but that day I saw four guns jam from the BBs and they were all different guns with different brand internals and all different bags. No issues when they switched to Elite Force and King Arms BBs. Again, I have never had issues with BBBs and use them as well as Elite Force on the regular, but that day made me nervous to use BBBs ever again.
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