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Old March 27th, 2013, 16:48   #1
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HST an Ordering Online?

So I've got a question someone on here maybe can answer?

I've ordered from a few provinces which have HST, Some have only charged me GST, seeing as how my province does not have HST, and others have charged me HST.

Any idea why this is? Or what the actual proper way to do this would be?

weird out of provinces orders are paying province tax, Or is this one of the joys of the new HST?

Thanks

EDIT:
About.com had the answer
http://sbinfocanada.about.com/od/pst/a/PSTecommerce.htm

Essentially if your paying HST to someone and live in another province, they are doing it wrong, potentially even something they could be in trouble for?
I thinks I need to email a few of my suppliers.

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Old March 27th, 2013, 17:03   #2
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If business is located in a HST province, legally they are required to collect HST from customers located in HST provinces, eg ON, BC(changes on Apr1), NS, etc.

For provinces without HST, they are only allowed to charge GST and it is up to the customer to remit the PST to the province. For Quebec and Manitoba, if business want to collect both taxes, they must register with that province to do so.

http://www.canadabusiness.ca/eng/page/2651/
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Old March 27th, 2013, 17:05   #3
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I think technically you should only have to pay the taxes that are inforced within your provence.
That being said it is probably easyer (accounting wise) for retailers to just collect taxes as required in their provence also itll help them avoid funny looks from from the cra come tax time.
I know in the states they have this all worked out and if you are in a state that charges certian taxes you will pay them upon check out. Here in canada its not really standardized or inforced in that way so retailers baisically sell stuff as if you are walking into their storefront and buying it (again just making it easyer on themselves as far as bookkeeping and tax filing is concerned)
Im sure that wasnt any real help but i think this is what your experiencing and why lol
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Old March 27th, 2013, 17:10   #4
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I think technically you should only have to pay the taxes that are inforced within your provence.
That being said it is probably easyer (accounting wise) for retailers to just collect taxes as required in their provence also itll help them avoid funny looks from from the cra come tax time.
I know in the states they have this all worked out and if you are in a state that charges certian taxes you will pay them upon check out. Here in canada its not really standardized or inforced in that way so retailers baisically sell stuff as if you are walking into their storefront and buying it (again just making it easyer on themselves as far as bookkeeping and tax filing is concerned)
Im sure that wasnt any real help but i think this is what your experiencing and why lol

Ummm it's pretty serious if you treat all your out-of-province sales as in-province sales. From a business owners point of view, I will need to remit more taxes at the end of the year than necessary. From a customers point of view, why am I paying taxes which I am legally entitled to not pay? I'm sure Albertans will raise hell if I charged them 13% tax.
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Old March 27th, 2013, 17:12   #5
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Guys in BC will get a nice discount on April 1st because they fought off the HST.

Heads up to business owners and customers...

Tough luck for PEI though...
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Ummm it's pretty serious if you treat all your out-of-province sales as in-province sales. From a business owners point of view, I will need to remit more taxes at the end of the year than necessary. From a customers point of view, why am I paying taxes which I am legally entitled to not pay? I'm sure Albertans will raise hell if I charged them 13% tax.
Agreed

Seeing as how I've spent nearly $1500 with a certain store, Paying 12% tax rather than 5% tax I essentially gave them nearly $100 more than I should have.

Pretty big deal on my end.
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Agreed

Seeing as how I've spent nearly $1500 with a certain store, Paying 12% tax rather than 5% tax I essentially gave them nearly $100 more than I should have.

Pretty big deal on my end.
I didn't see a $1500 order from you...

I would contact the retailer to see if they are registered to collect PST in Manitoba. It's a separate application from the CRA GST/HST number.
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I think the big question is if they must charge for example mb pst? Or is it not mandatory. Seeing as how many do not do it.
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Old March 27th, 2013, 17:36   #9
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If you sell taxable goods and services to residents of Manitoba, you are required to register under the Retail Sales Tax Act and collect retail sales tax, if all of the following apply:

You solicit sales in Manitoba (via advertising or other means).
You accept orders originating in Manitoba.
The taxable goods are for consumption/use in Manitoba — not for resale.
You cause the taxable goods to be delivered to Manitoba, regardless of who pays for the delivery.
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Learn about your tax collection and remittance obligations as a Manitoba business owner.

Source:http://www.canadabusiness.ca/eng/page/2651/

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So that says it applies if not for resale? So if a person brought in goods for resale they wouldn't need to pay pst to that seller regardless if registered or not?

That's how I read it anyway?
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Old March 27th, 2013, 17:57   #11
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I think the definition of resale is like Costco in Manitoba.
Example
You operate a convenience store.

Costco sells you goods which you sell at the convenience store. They shouldn't charge you PST.

You sell goods to customer. You collect PST.


A CGA or CA should really step in right now.

Disclaimer: I'm neither a CA or CGA. Everything I have posted should not be construed as professional advice. LOL
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Old March 27th, 2013, 18:00   #12
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Lol of course.
If a person buys from Ontario to resell something in mb. They shouldn't be charged pst. That's how I read it. But it's not overly clear
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PST is about as clear and easy as a crystal wine glass full of sparkling crude oil.
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Old March 28th, 2013, 01:12   #14
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So it seems lol. 7% is a lot of cash on big deal.
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Old March 28th, 2013, 02:28   #15
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At least come april 1st Milsig's pricing wont be AS rape...6% less...but buying locally wise, it's kind of hard when retailers out east offer lower pricing for next to no shipping half the time. I've bought both of my gbb's from ontario.

This also makes me wonder when I buy from Toronto Airsoft again, if they'll charge me HST again
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