Airsoft Canada
Airsoft Depot

Go Back   Airsoft Canada > General > General
Home Forums Register Gallery FAQ Calendar
Retailers Community News/Info International Retailers IRC Today's Posts

CQB field size

:

General

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old November 29th, 2012, 11:11   #1
Spike
Privateer Airsoft
 
Spike's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Beaverbank, NS
CQB field size

Looking to open up a small store front/cqb arena for airsoft next year with my father. Problem is, I'm not sure how big of a space is needed for a decent CQB arena.

How big do you guys think we'd need for just the play area itself to fit, say, 20-30 players at once without constantly bumping into each other?
__________________
I change primaries like other people change socks.
Spike is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 29th, 2012, 11:17   #2
Wrath144
formerly steyr
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba
Check out CQB City videos on YouTube, they are about 60,000 sq ft.
__________________
BROFORCE
Admin - Winnipeg Airsoft
Wrath144 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 29th, 2012, 11:29   #3
Thenooblord
Can't fix my own guns. Willing to fix yours.
 
Thenooblord's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Sherwood Forest
Send a message via MSN to Thenooblord
I've seen a CQB facility function in less space than some peoples homes, but for the most part, I'd say atleast 10 000 square feet
__________________

Words to live by
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kid View Post
The apartment I am in right now costs $100 a month.
My average spending on food per day is less than $4.
My airsoft spending in the last month and a half has totaled over $1400.
They're called priorities. Get yourself some.
Thenooblord is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 29th, 2012, 11:42   #4
MMatersk
 
MMatersk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Mississauga
I believe adrenaline in London is around 15,000sqft it's small but gets the job done.i haven't been there in 2 years so maybe it has changed
__________________
"Strength and Honour, Faith and Fury. In these four principles is Life defined and Victory achieved."


https://www.facebook.com/pages/Bad-K...8&ref=bookmark
MMatersk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 29th, 2012, 12:12   #5
Off_kilter
 
Off_kilter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: From antigonish but posted in Edmonton
FOF here in Edmonton has 10k square feet. It accommodates 12-16 adequately if they are playing semi only. So I would say 25k for a good field
__________________
Off_kilter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 29th, 2012, 12:40   #6
Spike
Privateer Airsoft
 
Spike's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Beaverbank, NS
So from the gist of what everyone's saying...sounds like 1000 sq ft per player is appropriate.
__________________
I change primaries like other people change socks.
Spike is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 29th, 2012, 12:59   #7
Off_kilter
 
Off_kilter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: From antigonish but posted in Edmonton
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spike View Post
So from the gist of what everyone's saying...sounds like 1000 sq ft per player is appropriate.
This would be good rule of thumb
__________________
Off_kilter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 29th, 2012, 13:28   #8
FirestormX
 
FirestormX's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Mississauga, Ontario
TTAC in Toronto has a very small area (I can't estimate distances to save my life, so I don't know the sqftage), that fits 8-15 players pretty well. It's VERY close quarters, the games are fast and hot, and you rarely find clear firing lanes from one side to the other (the "walls" are just sets of three pieces of particle board ziptied together, so it gets setup differently every game night).

On the other hand, Toronto also has the Ultimate Airsoft field, which is significantly larger, and has a lot more open space. Rather than feeling like you're fighting inside a single building or two, there are buildings within the field itself, that you can move between/through/around. there's also a "hurt locker" area which is a very tight set of corridors, similar to TTAC, that you can move through if you don't want to traverse through the open.

So TTAC has some intimate and very fun games in a tiny space, while UA has much more open space. Unfortunately, even with all that extra space, I find that UA is setup in such a way that people still tend to bunch up at cover when there's, say, 10 players on each side.

So while the field size is a good starting point, the setup of field really dictates how many players you can fit on it.
I know that isn't really what you asked, but it's the internet, and I like to type things that don't matter.
FirestormX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 29th, 2012, 13:51   #9
Brian McIlmoyle
8=======D
 
Brian McIlmoyle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Toronto
TTAC3 is in my opinion about the minimum space for "games" we have about 4000 square feet.. the only reason we can do it is bacuse we can change the setup every time .. otherwise playing the same game in a small room would get very old very fast.

our setup is TIGHT.. 1 foot engagements happen all the time.. and due to how tight it is we limit FPS to 350 and do not permit automatic fire.

We've been going strong since 2005 with this space.. but I keep it small, and limit players to 16 people.

We start with a wide open room and can set up pretty much any configuration we like using 4x8 panels held together in 3 panel units by zipties. we build rooms.. hallways, we have done mockups of aircraft, and subway trains, banks, dance clubs, courtyards, shanty towns.. whatever we want. People never know what they are going to face when they come at any given night.

Any space needs to be able to reconfigure the layout regularly or it gets old fast. Once you figure out the choke points and long lines regulars can dominate every game pretty much.. and it gets boring for the regulars and not much fun getting chopped up at the same spots every time for the new players.

CQB paintball has an excellent play space.. but once you have been there half a dozen times .. you've been there and done that.. this is the problem with fixed set ups.

If I had double the space .. and dedicated use then I would do a combination of fixed and reconfigurable elements. Second story sections add a lot to the perceived complexity and appeal of the space.. but it adds extra danger of injury as well.
__________________
Brian McIlmoyle
TTAC3 Director
CAPS Range Officer
Toronto Downtown Age Verifier

OPERATION WOODSMAN

If the tongue could cut as the sword does, the dead would be infinite
Brian McIlmoyle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 29th, 2012, 16:34   #10
Gish
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Calgary
Whatever size it is make sure you have the ability to reconfigure/move things around. Nothing makes a place stagnate more then solid walls and the exact same paths time and time again.
Gish is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 29th, 2012, 18:09   #11
FirestormX
 
FirestormX's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Mississauga, Ontario
Another thing to take into account, when you're looking for space, is a good staging area.
FirestormX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 30th, 2012, 00:16   #12
tygr701
"Back to you, Bob!"
 
tygr701's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Toronto/Markham
Send a message via MSN to tygr701
As much space as you can afford. Nothing more annoying than having a CQB arena that's overcrowded with too many people and too little space to maneuver. Your customers will thank you for it.
__________________


TEAM MSF CHANNELS:
YouTube - Facebook - ASC - Instagram

Si vis pacem, para bellum
tygr701 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 30th, 2012, 00:20   #13
Rainer
 
Rainer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Winnipeg
Meville Hospital. 66 000sqft 4 floors including the damp, moldy, dimly lit basement, 5 stairwells, various cafeatria and hospital objects. And a tunnel too! Had the chance to play there 4 times. Best CQB place ever. Can't forget kicking mouseholes through the walls, pushing dresser drawers down the hallways for cover. Damn shame they tore it down for condo development.

http://s621.photobucket.com/albums/t...le%20Hospital/
__________________
http://i621.photobucket.com/albums/tt294/EngelT1983/NODsupporter_zpsa2c16b46.jpg

Last edited by Rainer; November 30th, 2012 at 02:44..
Rainer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 6th, 2012, 13:28   #14
Adrenalineguy
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: London
At $1.00 a squre foot/ month min for commercial space (industrial isn't commercial). The price often dictates the size. so a 20000 square foot space is ideal, but its a heck of a rent bill.

the business part is the limiting factor so sad but so true..
Adrenalineguy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 6th, 2012, 14:35   #15
Brian McIlmoyle
8=======D
 
Brian McIlmoyle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Toronto
Quote:
Originally Posted by Adrenalineguy View Post
At $1.00 a squre foot/ month min for commercial space (industrial isn't commercial). The price often dictates the size. so a 20000 square foot space is ideal, but its a heck of a rent bill.

the business part is the limiting factor so sad but so true..
indeed even if you get a "deal" and can wrangle 20 000 feet for $10000 a month you need 500 people paying $20 each just to cover rent.. I've run the numbers several times .. the business model is viable.. but no one is making much money.

Field BBs .. Snacks, gun repair service, and gun sales are all needed to make it pay even a reasonable income to 2 people and a part time income to two more.

As a "retirement enterprise" to suplement pension.. it would be perfect.
__________________
Brian McIlmoyle
TTAC3 Director
CAPS Range Officer
Toronto Downtown Age Verifier

OPERATION WOODSMAN

If the tongue could cut as the sword does, the dead would be infinite
Brian McIlmoyle is offline   Reply With Quote
ReplyTop


Go Back   Airsoft Canada > General > General

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Airsoft Canada
Airsoft Depot

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 17:37.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.10
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.