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Old November 4th, 2012, 20:26   #46
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Earlier today MADDOG shot me from about 150ft away and upon hitting my mesh mask (that I use for my nose/mouth area) the BB shattered into pieces and hit my chin fast enough to cause a nice sting. Imagine if that had been your eyes...

This is one of those topics where you should be erring on the side of caution instead of "I don't know what the big deal is guys". We take a hardline stance on so many other things as a community and as a forum, and many of those things are far less severe or tangible as a real danger than this one. Why not take a hardline stance on this?
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Old November 4th, 2012, 20:56   #47
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I think every club/group/field/organizer is free to take a hardline stance if they so wish.
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Old November 4th, 2012, 21:22   #48
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Earlier today MADDOG shot me from about 150ft away and upon hitting my mesh mask (that I use for my nose/mouth area) the BB shattered into pieces and hit my chin fast enough to cause a nice sting. Imagine if that had been your eyes...

This is one of those topics where you should be erring on the side of caution instead of "I don't know what the big deal is guys". We take a hardline stance on so many other things as a community and as a forum, and many of those things are far less severe or tangible as a real danger than this one. Why not take a hardline stance on this?
I've shot a set of Mesh goggles purchased from Airsoftpark with my Classic Army firing .25 Madbull bbs and .25 Crosman bbs at 380 fps with very little denting on the goggles and no paint chips. I'd leave it up the the player to test their own stuff before using it. I am 100% comfortable using my mesh goggles in any airsoft environment.

Although I do use my Revision desert locust mainly because I am blind as a bat and Mesh goggles only make that worse.
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Old November 4th, 2012, 21:43   #49
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Earlier today MADDOG shot me from about 150ft away and upon hitting my mesh mask (that I use for my nose/mouth area) the BB shattered into pieces and hit my chin fast enough to cause a nice sting. Imagine if that had been your eyes...

This is one of those topics where you should be erring on the side of caution instead of "I don't know what the big deal is guys". We take a hardline stance on so many other things as a community and as a forum, and many of those things are far less severe or tangible as a real danger than this one. Why not take a hardline stance on this?
Word, but I think it depends on the mesh itself, distance, angle, and a whole bunch of variables which I wouldn't even try to go into. Maddog's guns are all fucking beasts as well, not shooting hot, but beasts nonetheless, so that may have had to do with it. I'm just one of those guys I would rather use my wrap around ballistics instead of mesh, even without the full seal, but I still lean towards my SO OTW's. Can't beat full seal ballistic protection. I love my vision and need it to shoot, on the airsoft field and elsewhere.
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Old November 5th, 2012, 12:32   #50
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On the subject this is worth a read. Cheers

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Old November 6th, 2012, 15:13   #51
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It is unfortunate that all field operators don't enforce ballistic approved optics for their games, which should be the minimum safety requirement.

This is an adult sport, so let people make their own decisions.

If the use of goggles wasn't require, you betcha there will be people that won't wear any.

Watch this video. It shows that a DMR at 150ft can penetrate cardboard easily. I highly doubt the skin on your face is tougher.

A&K SR-25 DMR Sniper Rifle AEG - Product Demo Shooting - YouTube

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Old November 25th, 2012, 17:13   #52
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I believe the general misconception with mesh goggles is people concern themselves with goggle failure instead of the real issue which is the bb's. Most mesh goggles on the market are safe to keep bb's out, whole bb's that is. The safety issue that is not a factor in those that use the mesh devices is, as was posted previously, the fractured bits and pieces of lower quality bb's.

Our club doesn't allow mesh eye protection on the field. We warn others as often as we can. You can't stop people from shooting cheap bb's, but we can stop them from wearing inadequate eye protection.
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Old November 25th, 2012, 17:21   #53
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Always safe than sorry, ansi 87.1 is the way to go in my opinion,there no such thing as too much eye pro
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Old November 25th, 2012, 20:43   #54
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I believe the general misconception with mesh goggles is people concern themselves with goggle failure instead of the real issue which is the bb's. Most mesh goggles on the market are safe to keep bb's out, whole bb's that is. The safety issue that is not a factor in those that use the mesh devices is, as was posted previously, the fractured bits and pieces of lower quality bb's.

Our club doesn't allow mesh eye protection on the field. We warn others as often as we can. You can't stop people from shooting cheap bb's, but we can stop them from wearing inadequate eye protection.
I believe the general misconception with BBs is people think that high quality BBs don't shatter. This meme seems to be persistent on this forum, and I don't know where this ridiculous notion came from... I fire bag after bag after bag after bag of BBBastard BBs (my reference testing BB) every week during testing and they shatter very willingly, and en masse. Cheap BBs may shatter very easily, but even the highest quality BBs on the market shatter. In thousands, not the occasional "one".

These myths are just going to help someone lose their eye.
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Old November 25th, 2012, 21:08   #55
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we were conducting some tests at a local field... it's not that mesh doesn't protect against fragments from our observations... it's that certain BBs will go right through mesh in a worst case scenario... we tested from about 5 feet away from a mesh mask... rounds did not shatter and penetrate... whole rounds went through. These were bios that we tested... bioval, madbull bios... and a few others.
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Old November 25th, 2012, 22:31   #56
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My biggest fear with metal mesh is the flakes of paint that could chip off upon impact and potentially fly back into the eye.
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Old November 25th, 2012, 22:50   #57
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I'm cool with mesh eye protection as long as you wear some sort of safety/shooting glasses behind it
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Old November 26th, 2012, 00:57   #58
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I believe the general misconception with BBs is people think that high quality BBs don't shatter. This meme seems to be persistent on this forum, and I don't know where this ridiculous notion came from... I fire bag after bag after bag after bag of BBBastard BBs (my reference testing BB) every week during testing and they shatter very willingly, and en masse. Cheap BBs may shatter very easily, but even the highest quality BBs on the market shatter. In thousands, not the occasional "one".

These myths are just going to help someone lose their eye.
Yes...well...IMO I don't consider BBBastard BBs as all that high end so either way....mesh is a risk that just doesn't need to be taken.
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Old November 26th, 2012, 15:49   #59
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the only time I would ever wear mesh is if I'm wearing something with a lens behind it, either my glasses (lenses already have a z87.1 rating) or shooting/ballistic glasses.

If it's not whole BBs that make it through, it could be BB fragments or paint from the mesh itself coming off the steel.
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Old November 26th, 2012, 17:01   #60
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I've seen bio BBs blow apart into a sharp particulate powder when they hit mesh goggles. Have played at games where people have had that happen to their eyes.
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