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Old September 8th, 2012, 21:52   #16
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As stated before check out Onimaru. Their masks do not have issues with cheek welds or losing peripheral vision. I have had MANY people say this and would not believe it till they tried it on. Altho, they are about 180 bucks after shipping...and it can take anywhere between a week to a month to have it built for you.

Personally I don't have to much of an issue with fog. Just get some fog tech or use the revision anti fog wipe.
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Old September 9th, 2012, 00:44   #17
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We really need to start a community-wide, country-wide effort to get mesh goggles banned.

I've seen a couple pairs worn this year at games I've been at and each time I've been thankful nobody's been hurt. Can you imagine what it would be like to go home after a game, knowing you've blinded someone, probably for good? And that a day of fun for that person has effectively changed their life forever?

It's not worth it people. Go with ballistic goggles.
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Old September 9th, 2012, 01:27   #18
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I keep on asking the same question, but no one answers it.

Airsoft games enforce fps but don't enforce safety. Are approved eye and face protection not required by insurance?
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Old September 11th, 2012, 11:43   #19
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I've seen BB shards travel through mesh. I had an Army of Two mask where the eyes were mesh. I didn't get hit in suck a way that my eye was hurt, bit the potential is there. Dremmel out the mesh, and wear glasses underneath or goggles over top. Another option I've seen is to buy rated goggles "like ESS" with removable lenses; then mount the jacket inside your mask. Then you can insert the lenses. This is a difficult and expensive option, but it will work.
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Old September 11th, 2012, 12:36   #20
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I don't have a problem if someone has some sort of lens protection behind the mesh goggles, be it safety glass or prescription eyewear.. most plastic lenses for glasses are at least ansi 87.1 rated now anyways (at least every pair I've had in the last few years have been as long as you get quality lenses) only question is the coverage, since not all prescription eyewear can cover the entire eye area. But combined with a GOOD quality mesh goggle, the mesh can stop the bulk of the BB, and if there are shards, a good covering lens behind can stop shards.

The problem with mesh is not that it's not strong enough, it's the quality of the manufacture.. some of them aren't secured very well to the frame, while others, the material will fail.

I don't think mesh should be banned, but I definitely think people should be inspecting their shit and making sure they have good stuff.
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Old September 12th, 2012, 12:07   #21
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I'd advise against mesh masks as well. I have experienced BB shards in my eye, and another friend of mine has as well. No permanent damage but really annoying as hell.

Since then I've been using ballistic goggles.

At first, I used a psykes fibreglass mask with a set of goggles over top. Now i've switched to ballistic goggles and a full mesh lower. This set up has probably been the best so far.
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Old September 12th, 2012, 12:14   #22
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Mesh in itself has a negative effect on your game play. It dulls peripheral vision, makes it more difficult to see during dusk/dark, and it blocks in negative space; leaving it more difficult to pick out camouflage while in environment. There is no benefit to it other than it can't fog. But there again is the safety aspect.
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Old September 12th, 2012, 13:31   #23
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I've used them at a couple of games (was trying anything that would beat fogging). I've used ballistic glasses too. Bar none, nothing beats the eye protection that proper quality full seal goggles provide.

I really don't like the "2 inch full auto blast" testing of stuff. I've never seen anyone take a facefull of shots that close. 3-4 feet away...I could see that happening in a bad instance, but not at "contact" ranges. I suppose it's the acid test...but IMO it doesn't properly reflect what happens in the field.

Not all mesh is equal. Some will barely deform/mark...on others BB's will zip right through after the first shot or two where the wires are deformed.

Not all BB's are created equal. IMO it's pointless to say...these BB's don't fragment, these BB's won't/will do this/that. There's a huge variety of BBs out on the fields...of all quality levels. From the sh*ttiest of the .12's to the armour piercing baby killing silicas/nites (just kidding). You can't practically check every BB in every mag...so you can't "make it safe". It's best effort at that point. It is then safer to assume that all BBs will fragment...and to protect accordingly. That might be ok for some...not so for others.

When mesh is used for mouth/cheek protection....that's fine. Fragments or even a penetration isn't going to have the damage that a shot to the eye will have.

IMO...you've got to do what the field/game host says. If someone wants to run mesh goggles and takes a shard in the eyeball...it's blunt to say, but the responsibility is on the wearer's head the field owner. Same with guys who run ballistic glasses. If you wear anything less than proper quality full seal ballistic goggles then you're inherently accepting the risk of taking a shot in the eye. Aside from the field owner, it's no one elses responsibility than your own. (I'll say this though...anyone who's worn mesh and taken a fragment in/close to the eyes changes their tune about them pretty f*cking quick).
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Old September 12th, 2012, 14:52   #24
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Full face masks suck. Just my opinion.

Alot of them keep you from properly getting a good sight picture, non-mesh lenses tend to fog more often, and your peripheral vision sucks. Full seal ballistics are the way to go, lower face mesh if you wish. Smith Optics, Revision and ESS all make good quality goggles, especially ones with turbofans for fog prevention. Don't compromise on your safety, but you shouldn't also compromise on your effectiveness as your gameplay will suffer. Personally I just use full seals with no face mesh, unless I know the majority of engagements will be within 30-40 feet. I get shot in the face with BBs all the time in milsims and skirmishes and have only once ever had skin break, which was from a hot gun at 30 feet. Maybe I just have leather-face, but full face pro isn't necessary with full seals unless youre doing a CQB, and even then if you are playing with an experienced group they will most likely be aiming low (accidents do happen in excitement however and I have taken some to the face within 15 feet, no skin break though).
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Old November 4th, 2012, 11:41   #25
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We really need to start a community-wide, country-wide effort to get mesh goggles banned.

I've seen a couple pairs worn this year at games I've been at and each time I've been thankful nobody's been hurt. Can you imagine what it would be like to go home after a game, knowing you've blinded someone, probably for good? And that a day of fun for that person has effectively changed their life forever?

It's not worth it people. Go with ballistic goggles.
This post really hit me, it may not happen or may not have happened yet, but it only takes one sneaky bb one day, to mess up their vision for life..Will not be cheaping out on eye protection. But what are the +/- sides to having either ballistic goggles or ballistic glasses?
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Old November 4th, 2012, 12:30   #26
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I am glad that open glasses and mesh masks are not mandatory, and we have a choice.

I choose to wear a helmet, full seal eye goggles and lower face protection.
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Old November 4th, 2012, 12:46   #27
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I am glad that open glasses and mesh masks are not mandatory, and we have a choice.

I choose to wear a helmet, full seal eye goggles and lower face protection.
i find those pictures rather bad press.
sure you can get bleeders but most of the time i've only seen those happen at close range. also the glasses you posted are nowhere near proper eyewear for airsoft.
i've only gotten 1 bleeder and that was from a 400fps gun at under 10ft.
bruises are normal get used to it

I've got fullseal smith optics goggles, but for sniping i like these
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Old November 4th, 2012, 13:05   #28
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The only time I'll throw on mesh goggles (like the ones pictured by RITZ) is when it's a really rainy, humid day, and it's literally the ONLY way to keep playing without severe fogging. As far as I'm concerned, I'd rather be able to see with mesh covering my eyes than NOT see and have that as a safety hazard. Running around the woods blind in the rain is asking to fall and twist or break something, or just calling yourself out of the game (which happened to several people due to fogging issues)
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Old November 4th, 2012, 15:03   #29
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i find those pictures rather bad press.
sure you can get bleeders but most of the time i've only seen those happen at close range. also the glasses you posted are nowhere near proper eyewear for airsoft.
i've only gotten 1 bleeder and that was from a 400fps gun at under 10ft.
bruises are normal get used to it

I've got fullseal smith optics goggles, but for sniping i like these
Don't lecture me on bad press, those pictures are real and not photoshopped. It is reality and odds are without proper protection, it will happen. I still see a lot of players without full seal optics and probably not even safety rated either.

I told my friend a few years ago to wear full protection, while others convinced him it won't happen because it is rare. He has paid a hefty dental bill for an implant for not wearing face protection.

And you said you got only one bleeder? You're lucky you didn't lose a tooth or more.

We are all adults and in airsoft it is not mandatory for full face protection unless it is on a paintball field because of insurance reasons. I do not tell people it is rare and not necessary or uncomfortable, tell it like it is, and let them decide.

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Old November 4th, 2012, 15:36   #30
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also the glasses you posted are nowhere near proper eyewear for airsoft.

I've got fullseal smith optics goggles, but for sniping i like these
Are you saying mesh goggle are proper eyewear for airsoft?




This is what I see players still wearing promoted for airsoft.

This is shot proof, but not fully sealed. Would I wear them in a game? No.

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