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Old June 30th, 2012, 19:51   #1
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Pistol training, how?...

Hey there,

I've been having a lot of troubled using my pistol's iron sight and actually hitting my target where I won't! I run a L96 so I need a secondary for the MED but i tend to just 'spray and pray' when it comes to that 40-50 feet. Usually go full mag to take down one guy and that screw me over. Also avoid spraying others.

What I'm hoping is to find some way to get better with my pistol like increase accuracy and take less shots. I don't like shooting heads but if spray I sometimes end up hitting other in the face.

So, I'm currently using a KSC glock 17. The hop up is a little strong therefore I'm force to use .3 bbs. I've been thinking to add a red dot sight to help with my accuracy but then I would need to get a new holster like the racing holster which I feel would add more scruff to my pistol and might damage my red dot while I'm prown. Right now I have my pistol on my vest.

Any help or advice is greatly appreciated.
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Old June 30th, 2012, 20:06   #2
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I dont understand your statement about .3's.

Does the gun shoot straight in the first place? Find out by bench testing it.

Assuming your stance, grip, and trigger pull are all fairly consistent, concentrate on front sight focus and point of aim should equal point of impact.

Remember that range is more important with AS pistols. Even if you're aiming true and hitting spot on at 20 feet, you might miss entirely at 40.
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Old June 30th, 2012, 20:23   #3
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Unless you've got REALLY strong wrists, you need to calm down and shoot slower
Guys that shoot fast with pistols typically can't hit the broad side of a barn, but if you take your time to aim, you'll have a higher chance to hit your target sooner

You're not going to learn how to shoot a pistol by rapidly unloading mags at people, you gotta start slow. Once your muscles learn how the pistol reacts, eventually you can fire that thing fairly quickly and retain accuracy.

The trick for me was to always shoot slow, but shoot accurately
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Old June 30th, 2012, 23:41   #4
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^Yeah what they said above.

Just practice your muscles to memorize how your gun works. Specifically, the trigger pull and weight before the hammer breaks. also note how you react to the shot (ie. wrist control, forearm bracing, etc etc). Also, take note on different stances and see which one your most comfy with.

I suggest taking your gun to the yard to just get a good feeling on how the gun behaves. Shoot slow as Thundercactus said. My wife taught me how to shoot lol. She used to be in the Military and always taught to slowly squeeze the trigger and have good follow through. Even though airsoft guns are not remotely close to firing real firearms, I still apply the principle and most of the time it works. The more you do it, the faster you will become at knowing where each bb will fly.

After you got all that down and you know your gun inside and out, you can fine tune your gun to maximize your accuracy. TIghtbores, hop tuning, hop up buckings and all that non sense.

I guess the moral of the story is to just practice first. And then tune.
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Old July 1st, 2012, 00:08   #5
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I've seen beginners pull their triggers in the middle of transition from being holstered to ready without really aiming. I have a feeling many watch videos of Youtube ISPC shooters that draw and shoot amazingly fast and feel they are able to replicate it on their own - leading to doing the same at games.

Practice drawing your gun at home slowly and taking time to aim before you shoot. The time taken to aim should reduce gradually instead of immediately as you get used to where your BB's land in correspondance to where you point your barrel.

The key is to not rush anything, and stay relaxed throughout the entire training process.

Long story short: Take the time to steady your gun before you shoot. Shooting while in the process of drawing will cause your shots to be extremely inaccurate - despite what you may feel you are capable of.
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Old July 1st, 2012, 00:19   #6
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I dont understand your statement about .3's.
I'm using .3 bbs is because the hop up is a bit too strong even with it off. I get over hop with .25.


As for practice I figure that would be my solution. The other issue I'm having is being rushed and enemy entering my MED. That's when I panic and just spray. My pistol shoots fun(though some mechanical issue is arising) but I just can't seem to aim under stress. Another example would be sneaking up to a small group of enemy and I'm at the edge of my MED, it would be safe to use my pistol but do to the noise I would need to take them out fast and while walking/jogging or out of cover.

Another thing is, I'm used to using scopes therefor iron sights are a challenge for me. Like I mention above, I thought of using red dot but just can't find a suitable holster for my need.

One thing I'm planning to do is, set up targets in my basement and target practice shooting. I've seen on the web video where people using hi-capa for pistol race and usually they have red dot sight. Think it's worth the money and time? Also if anyone's done this, does it really help or is it all about gaming experiences?
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Old July 1st, 2012, 00:34   #7
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Well the first thing you have to do then is learn how to stay calm under fire, not easy to do, but let me tell you from first hand experience it gives you a HUGE advantage.
It's also a huge psychological advantage when people you always play with get the drop on you and still end up getting shot first lol

Comparing real steel to airsoft pistols, all the practices carry over. It's not like AEG's where you don't have to deal with recoil anymore, with pistols there's just less of it. But all the stances and grips do well to increase your proficiency.

As for iron sights, I don't take the time to line em up, I ignore them unless I'm shooting real far. I just line up the top of the slide to the target, once you know where your gun shoots, you don't even need the sights under 60 feet.
And optics just get in your way. A red dot on your pistol can do nothing but obscure your vision.

The best thing you can do is just set up a target, and keep shooting till you run that coleman tank dry. Or drop your fps on your rifle and learn how to slam fire it, that's what I did when it was at 380fps, and you'll be amazed how often a skilled bolt action operator can take out a panicked rifleman lol
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Old July 1st, 2012, 00:36   #8
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Practice. Draw your gun out repeatedly at home, slow fast, medium speed, whatever. Get used to holding your gun properly in a good grip. Make sure you know where all your fingers go. Memorize the texture of the grip on each finger. Slow down your draws to see where your hands might be gripping the gun wrong, and improve. Learn the movement of your slide when the gun is fired. Make note of your grip when you fire the gun, eject magazines, or pull back the slide. Squeeze the trigger instead of slapping it as fast as you can. Find a holster and gun that feels right to you. IMO, Glocks feel like crap and have nasty triggers, but if it feels right to you, go for it.
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Old July 1st, 2012, 00:53   #9
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I'd like to say I'm decent with a pistol.

How I got decent is because I tend to play a good portion of my games with a pistol only. Mind you, I have 6 magazines for my pistol so it's not that bad. Try dropping your sniper rifle for the next say, five games and go pistol only. The experience gained should be enough to give you somewhat of a primer on using your pistol effectively.

It'll be heaps better to do that than to stand in your basement shooting at a stationary target over and over with zero stress.
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I'd like to say I'm decent with a pistol.

How I got decent is because I tend to play a good portion of my games with a pistol only. Mind you, I have 6 magazines for my pistol so it's not that bad. Try dropping your sniper rifle for the next say, five games and go pistol only. The experience gained should be enough to give you somewhat of a primer on using your pistol effectively.

It'll be heaps better to do that than to stand in your basement shooting at a stationary target over and over with zero stress.
I second this. I played with 8 pistol magazines for the longest time. Usually because my long guns have some mechanical problem or another, or just because they're unwieldy to hold for a long period of time. Knowing you have to be more careful because you can't flip the "full auto" switch and go nuts is part of what makes playing with a pistol fun; it also makes you a better player, I think.

I also had a pistol duel of sorts with mmmken last year and won by luck, after we both shot a ton at each other. So maybe don't listen to us (or just me).
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Old July 1st, 2012, 08:03   #11
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They say that if you repeat a motion 3000 times its etched into you memory (muscle memory) and you should be able to do it with out "thinking about it".
I have fired my pistol so much I hardly have to aim at distances of 30 or 40 ft. Try this, play a cupple games with just your pistol, I bet you become a surgeone with the damn thing

EEECK sorry posted then read on, this was already suggested lol.
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Old July 1st, 2012, 08:22   #12
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Two things:

1) If you are a spray and pray kind of guy, use a sub-machine gun for a secondary. The KWA MP9 or, even better, the MP7 make great sniper sidearms.

2) In real steel we have a drill called the "forty five". Not because it uses a 45 cal, but because it consists of 4 units of 5 being used: Repeated practice until you can place 5 shots in a 5 inch circle from 5 metres away within 5 seconds. Start with a holstered weapon and go from there when your timer says "go".

It sounds really easy, it is not. It takes many practices to be able to do this on a regular basis with a handgun.

I was thinking the range should be decrease for airsoft (5 feet????, a little close), but when you take away the recoil of a real .357 or .45 calibre then you should be able to do it at 5 metres in airsoft as well.
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Old July 1st, 2012, 11:51   #13
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Old July 18th, 2012, 01:30   #14
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Alright! So i finally got the chance to practice my shooting. Turns out their not bad.

What I discover was my iron sight on my KWC G17 is off. Like really off. It's shooting way 2" down and 1" left. Sadly the iron sight are fix.

After much searching I finally got myself a rail system to attach one of my many red dot. After zeroing in with a sightbore I was hitting my target within 1" both 5-10 meter(mix distance I could get in my basement).

Right on about good grip and stance. Not too sure about shooting on the move. Just holding the pistol I can see my sight moving every direction. Guess I'll need to work on my walking slowly and contact on the ground at all time.

Another thing is I found out my pistol has a lot of issue. http://airsoftcanada.com/showthread....00#post1680100 Anyone could help me out that would be super!
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