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Old January 14th, 2012, 13:22   #1
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hi i'm kind of new to Airsoft, only known about the sport for 1.25 years and i own two nice guns an ICS M4 and a VFC scar-L. the only thing is i have never seen the inside of an Airsoft gun and thought its time i did. so i'm in the market to buy a new cheap gun and upgrade the sh*t out of it, i was looking at the velocity arms G36 and AK47. now i would like to know your opinion on these two guns and if there good guns to upgrade, i would also like to know if there are cheaper guns out there that would meet my needs. now i understand i'm not AV'ed so you don't have to tell me where to buy said guns i just need to find guns to upgrade.

thanks in advance for any help you can provide.
Kyle Milliken.
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Old January 14th, 2012, 13:40   #2
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I would say get another M4 type, they're one of the easiest to open up.
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Old January 14th, 2012, 13:44   #3
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I would say get another M4 type, they're one of the easiest to open up.
but same brand?
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Old January 14th, 2012, 14:24   #4
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I figured out how to fix a gearbox on a Kraken. I found it a little easier than an M4, mostly because the version 3 gearboxes dont make you put the gaerbox back in the body to test it like version 2s do. That Kraken became my test eveything platform. In the end all thats still Kraken is the outer barrel assembly, a little of the wiring, and the trigger and trigger guard. Everything else is aftermarket, and now its one of my most solid guns, and has stupid long range, but only average accuracy at that range because of the crappy AK style sights.
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Old January 14th, 2012, 14:27   #5
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I would say get another M4 type, they're one of the easiest to open up.
Actually I find V3's (AK's in particular) the easiest to get to and work on.
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Old January 14th, 2012, 14:42   #6
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I would say something with a V3, probably an AK, as you can test the gearbox before reassembly.
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Old January 14th, 2012, 14:43   #7
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A kraken (Aftermath/CYMA AK-47) is an excellent learning tool. They're cheap and the V3 mechbox is easy to learn on.
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Old January 14th, 2012, 14:51   #8
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I'm going to disagree a little on the kraken and throw out some food for though.

The tolerances on those things are terrible... It's like learning to ride a bike but the wheels wobble and bend in all different directions
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Old January 14th, 2012, 15:15   #9
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so stick with the two guns i listed in my first post and after i get use to the v3 gearbox move on to the v2.
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Old January 14th, 2012, 18:04   #10
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V3 is supposedly easier to work on but I've only worked on V2's all my life. I don't do work for others only on my own stuff so yeah it's just work on V2's for me which I find fairly easy if you can easily grasp mechanical design concepts.

Also, if you want to learn how to work on internals it might be more cost effective to just buy a drop in gearbox (or gearbox shell, but the danger of piecemealing the shell and all of the other internals is that you're spending way more money than if you bought a drop in gearbox and a few key upgrade parts) and just work that portion irrespective of the rest of the externals. Obviously you won't be able to do hop up/bucking/barrel since that mates up to the gearbox from the front end but for the rest of the internals; spring, ARL, compuression parts, gears, tappet plate, etc. it'll be perfect.

My vote goes for either the VFC or Guarder shells and just build up from there if you want to build your own, otherwise buy a complete gearbox and put in a few key upgrades but then again there's not much you need to do in a VFC gearbox since as far as I can tell they're solid gearboxes;

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and here's a review of the retailer in question; http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showpos...6&postcount=25

Also it should be pretty obvious by now that I'm well acquainted with the staff at that specific retailer (being a player for this amount of time it's pretty hard not to know about the different retailers). I give them my seal of approval as well.
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Old January 14th, 2012, 18:12   #11
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V2's and V3's are about the same for me. But, I have noticed more parts compatibility issues with V2's.

My only real problem with V2's are the guns they come out of. Breaking down my mp5 takes way too much time to get at the gearbox lol
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V2's and V3's are about the same for me. But, I have noticed more parts compatibility issues with V2's.

My only real problem with V2's are the guns they come out of. Breaking down TM, not CA mp5's takes way too much time to get at the gearbox lol
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Old January 14th, 2012, 20:34   #13
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If you spend $300 upgrading a shitty gun, it's still a shitty gun.
You throw $75 into your ICS M4 and you'll see a huge difference in performance.
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Old January 14th, 2012, 20:51   #14
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Fixed,
It is a CA B&T. Nice try dumbass!
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Old January 14th, 2012, 21:30   #15
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It is a CA B&T. Nice try dumbass!
CA's are easy to take apart! Unless you don't have a CA lower that slides out of the upper...
Try taking apart a TM MP5 and compare!
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