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Old December 21st, 2011, 10:40   #31
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I have it on good authority that this was already tried at the Edmonton training site. There are a small group of CF airsofters that are approved to use the training facility to play. When we talked to them, they were interested in holding regular games there and inviting civi's to the facility. Last I heard it was a big resounding no. I'll talk to my buddy who's stationed up there so I can find out who they are. Either way, I'm pulling for ya. Maybe you just need a better presentation to your CO than they had.
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Old December 21st, 2011, 10:49   #32
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Getting the support of a section co etc or higher up officer would help you as well

Chances of that are slim but It would do a great deal to help.

I'll look up that canforgen when I get to work but I think I read it as well. I'll speak with our PSP come the new year as well.
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Old December 21st, 2011, 10:52   #33
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Here it is. Mind you I didn't take this public. It's available via google.

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CANFORGEN 061/09 CMP 027/09 061655Z APR 09
CHANGES TO THE CF SPORTS PROGRAM
UNCLASSIFIED

REFS: A. CF HEALTH AND PHYSICAL FITNESS STRATEGY
B. CFAO 50-3

1. OVER THE PAST 18 MONTHS, THE CF HAVE PLACED GREAT EMPHASIS ON PHYSICAL FITNESS. THE SPORTS PROGRAM HAS TRADITIONALLY BEEN AN IMPORTANT MEANS OF IMPROVING AND MAINTAINING THE PHYSICAL FITNESS LEVELS OF CF MEMBERS.

2. IN RECOGNITION OF THE IMPORTANCE OF SPORT, THE FOLLOWING SPORTS WILL BE ADDED TO THE CF NATIONAL SPORTS PROGRAM EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY: GOLF, TRIATHLON, TAEKWONDO, SWIMMING, WOMEN S SOCCER AND THE CF ATHLETIC CHALLENGE WHICH WILL INCLUDE SPORTS ACTIVITIES SUCH AS SHOOTING, SWIMMING, RUNNING AND OBSTACLE RACE.

3. THE CF CISM SPORTS PROGRAM WILL ALSO BE EXPANDED TO INCLUDE FENCING AND MILITARY PENTATHLON

4. IN ADDITION REGIONAL DEVELOPMENT CAMPS WILL BE FUNDED AND GRANTED THE SAME STATUS AS REGIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS FOR TRIATHLON, SWIMMING AND TAEKWONDO. REGIONAL DEVELOPMENT CAMPS WILL PROVIDE ATHLETIC AND COACHING DEVELOPMENT AND WILL ASSIST IN THE SELECTION OF ATHLETES FOR CF NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS

5. EXTREME SPORTS WILL ALSO BE ADDED TO THE SPORTS PROGRAM. THE MEDIA USE THE TERM EXTREME SPORTS, ALSO CALLED ACTION SPORTS AND ADVENTURE SPORTS, TO DESIGNATE CERTAIN ACTIVITIES PERCEIVED AS HAVING A HIGH LEVEL OF INHERENT RISK OR DIFFICULTY AND OFTEN INVOLVING SPEED, HEIGHT, A HIGH LEVEL OF PHYSICAL EXERTION, AND HIGHLY SPECIALIZED EQUIPMENT

6. TO IMPLEMENT EXTREME SPORTS, REF B PARA 31 IS DELETED AND REPLACED BY THE FOLLOWING: QUOTE THE ENTRY OF INDIVIDUALS INTO CIVILIAN COMPETITIONS INCLUDING EXTREME SPORTS AND ACTIVITIES SHALL BE AUTHORIZED WHEN SUCH PARTICIPATION MAY BE EXPECTED TO BRING CREDIT TO THE CF. THE CONDITIONS AND APPROVING AUTHORITIES FOR PARTICIPATION IN CIVILIAN COMPETITIONS ARE CONTAINED IN ANNEX B. APPLICATION FOR APPROVAL SHALL BE SUBMITTED IN ACCORDANCE WITH APPENDIX 1 TO ANNEX B. IN NO CASE WILL PARTICIPATION IN CIVILIAN COMPETITIONS TAKE PRIORITY OVER THE DEVELOPMENT OF BASE PROGRAMS OR CONFLICT WITH PARTICIPATION IN CF REGIONAL OR NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS. ADDITIONALLY APPLICANTS WHO WISH TO PARTICIPATE IN EXTREME SPORTS AND ACTIVITIES ARE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION:

(A) A DETAILED RESUME OUTLINING THE MEMBERS EXPERIENCE, QUALIFICATIONS CERTIFICATIONS AND PREPAREDNESS RELATING TO PARTICIPATION IN THE SPORTS COMPETITION OR ACTIVITY IDENTIFYING POTENTIAL RISKS AND STEPS TAKEN TO MITIGATE THEM

(B) RESULTS OF A VALID CF FITNESS EVALUATION COMPLETED WITHIN SIX MONTHS OF THE COMMENCEMENT OF THE SPORTS COMPETITION OR ACTIVITY

(C) FOR COMPETITIONS OR ACTIVITIES THAT CONTAIN ANY WATER-RELATED SEGMENT, THE MEMBER MUST SHOW PROOF OF COMPLETING THE CF BASIC MILITARY SWIM STANDARD TEST WITHIN SIX MONTHS OF THE COMMENCEMENT OF THE SPORTS COMPETITION OR ACTIVITY

(D) A STATEMENT DESCRIBING HOW PARTICIPATION IN THE EXTREME SPORT OR ACTIVITY RELATES TO SERVICE AS A MILITARY MEMBER UNQUOTE

7. THE FOLLOWING IS A LIST OF EXTREME SPORTS AND ACTIVITIES THAT ARE NOT COVERED BY THIS POLICY:

(A) MOTORIZED SPORTING ACTIVITIES SUCH AS: RALLY, MOTOR RACING AND ULTRA LIGHT FLYING

(B) BOXING

(C) EXTREME COMBAT ACTIVITIES SUCH AS: ULTIMATE FIGHTING, MIXED MARTIAL ARTS

(D) HUMANITARIAN AND CHARITABLE PROJECTS

(E) ORGANIZED MILITARY MARCHES, E.G. THE NIJMEGEN MARCHES

(F) BUNGEE JUMPING

8. QUESTIONS SHOULD BE DIRECTED TO DGPFSS DSRM, JOHANNE THIBAULT AT 613-992-0424

9. THESE CHANGES SERVE TO STRENGTHEN THE CF S COMMITMENT TO PHYSICAL FITNESS AND HEALTH AS DETAILED IN THE CF HEALTH AND FITNESS STRATEGY
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Old December 21st, 2011, 11:10   #34
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Awesome if you can pull this off, best of luck. If you are successful I would be interested in doing the same @ CFB Kingston.
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Old December 21st, 2011, 11:20   #35
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I think getting the club/recognized as a sport would be our first hurdle

I'll bet full face protection will be mandatory. As they also pay for our dental work. Loosing a tooth to the sport would hurt us.
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Old December 21st, 2011, 13:04   #36
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This has been tried at least once before in Edmonton, and damn it we will try again. Other than the obvious issues with liability, the other big hurtle which has been brought to my attention is security clearance for civies. That was the other big reason that the previous attempts have failed. This may be a issues that we simple won't be able to get around. But I am still hopeful, like I have said I am waiting on my precedence in Borden. They have a paintball field in a training area and civies are allowed.

I can see how eager people are to support in this and see a good result. Just remember this is going to take some time, alot of time. The better prepared we are when we go forward the better. In the slim chance this does get approved it will still take longer after that, these ranges are booked months in advance if not more than a year.
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Old December 21st, 2011, 13:52   #37
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Depends on what kind of training is being conducted around that time.

I have gotten both SCV and KH with a month's notice for Combat FA.
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Old December 21st, 2011, 14:04   #38
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Get psp to acknowledge it first. That would be the only way I can see it happening
They advertise paintball in their catalogue In st-jean so not to much of a stretch
But still... Little white bb's everywhere!
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Old December 21st, 2011, 14:13   #39
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Implement Bio. Or black. depending on the terrain.

Definetly easier than cleaning up paint. even if you have a team of guys sweep/vacuum the cqb areas after.

Outdoors you'd never notice it
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Old December 21st, 2011, 15:17   #40
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...the other big hurtle which has been brought to my attention is security clearance for civies. That was the other big reason that the previous attempts have failed. This may be a issues that we simple won't be able to get around...
Training areas ie "the field" are not restricted areas in terms of security clearance, as they are not sensitive areas. I hesitate to comment without the full story, but being turned down because of "security reasons" sounds like someone who was lazy inventing a reason to say no.

There is however a very real issue with liability in terms of insurance for civilian plated vehicles. Here in Kingston the only time civilian pattern vehicles are allowed onto the trg area is when they are rentals driven by CF/DND/GoC pers for official business.
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Old December 21st, 2011, 15:26   #41
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Look at security this way. In most of the spots I've been at for training that were a base or detachment there were things in the field that you did not want people getting into. Range shacks or whatever.

So the first times there are a bunch of folks on the property they're supervised by CF members. But what about down the road when some of the Civi's come back on their own since they are now familiar with the lie of the land?
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Yeah, that's the CANFORGEN. I did actually ask about this to my CO and was in fact able to get paintball approved as a unit activity, taking everyone to TNT Paintball here in Victoria instead of going to work every six months or so.

A navy crew playing paintball looked like this, if you're wondering: HMCS Protecteur @ TNT Paintball, November 19th, 2010 - YouTube

Like a bunch of retards trying to hump a doorknob.

Anyway, as I was saying section 5 pretty much describes extreme sports as being stuff that involves speed, height, physical exertion and specialized equipment. That's vague, but on CO approval should involve things like paintball and airsoft.

And it's certainly not on the list of exceptions listed in section 7.
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Old December 21st, 2011, 15:44   #43
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Good to know. I never thought of that. We could book out the indoor place here. bring 20 sqn members out for a game
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Old December 23rd, 2011, 16:30   #44
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in my short time in the sport I have meet no less then 3 members of cf that play airsoft, though I do not have permission to say names or locations. I also cannot say weither they are active or non-active in the cf. as I didnt see them post here id say add three yes votes to ur numbers
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Old December 23rd, 2011, 17:34   #45
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Well Two guys and myself are heavy players. all met each other after playing airsoft and were all in the same Sqn. There's plenty out there. just hard to find.

Stick a flyer up on base with an email and see how many people contact you.
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