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Old November 30th, 2011, 19:25   #1
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Some old new guy here...

So i just wanted to let you all know that I am really enjoying this site. So much that it hurts my eyes after a while. I'm probably a bit older than most here so hence the username "obsolete".

I'm totally new to Airsoft. Haven't been to a game yet, but I plan to soon.

I'm a bit of a gear whore anyways already so I have quite a bit of stuff. US Woodland, 3 Color Desert, Brit DPM and DCU, Multicam and ACU. I think I would like to order some CADPAT TW from CPGear, I hear they make some quality stuff. Any thoughts?

I have experience with firearms so I'm looking forward to trying out the Airsoft guns.

I am looking at a G&P C8 and the KSC Sig 226. Again any thoughts? I have an Arktis K170 rig which I believe is 4x3 mags. Realistically how many mags should I be buying and what size?

I will be looking to get age verified obviously, I read the noob stuff before I posted.

I'm sure I will have more questions but that's about it for now. Again it's a great community here I hope to learn a lot and hope to see some of you out on the field before you shoot me.
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Old November 30th, 2011, 19:48   #2
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Here's the grown up short form

Both guns you listed are fine. As you can probably appreciate...airsoft is like a fantasy shopping mall for guns/gear/everything tactical-ish.

Buy "midcap" mags...approx 120-ish BB capacity per mag. They're the most versatile for the various types of games out there. Most games are "bring as many as you want" others are ammo limited. Get 10-12 mags....that'll hedge your bets against losing one or two in the bush.

0.20g BBs for indoors...0.28-0.30's for outdoors. Don't sweat the FPS level as long as you're under the game maximum limit.

Re. gear. I'm a retard when it comes to gear...but all that you listed works as long as you give some thought to where you're using it.

Proper eye protection is a MUST. Face/teeth protection too.

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Old November 30th, 2011, 19:48   #3
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Welcome,

CP Gear's OTW shirt is a top notch bit of kit, a little on the pricey side compared to US/UK similar shirts but you'll be happy with it.
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Old November 30th, 2011, 19:59   #4
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So i just wanted to let you all know that I am really enjoying this site. So much that it hurts my eyes after a while. I'm probably a bit older than most here so hence the username "obsolete".

I'm totally new to Airsoft. Haven't been to a game yet, but I plan to soon.

I'm a bit of a gear whore anyways already so I have quite a bit of stuff. US Woodland, 3 Color Desert, Brit DPM and DCU, Multicam and ACU. I think I would like to order some CADPAT TW from CPGear, I hear they make some quality stuff. Any thoughts?

I have experience with firearms so I'm looking forward to trying out the Airsoft guns.

I am looking at a G&P C8 and the KSC Sig 226. Again any thoughts? I have an Arktis K170 rig which I believe is 4x3 mags. Realistically how many mags should I be buying and what size?

I will be looking to get age verified obviously, I read the noob stuff before I posted.

I'm sure I will have more questions but that's about it for now. Again it's a great community here I hope to learn a lot and hope to see some of you out on the field before you shoot me.
Welcome Obsolete,
if your over 18 then how much older doesn't really count. Their are a lot of greybacks on this site It's important to get age verified so that we can give you all the info and not hold back.

G&P is a good choice. I never owned a KSC handgun, just Tokyo Marui's. TM's are usually the best and safest choice for the price. Regarding mags, it depends on the way you play and the kind of games in your area. Real caps 30 rounds are always a good choice, you need 10 of them. I prefer p-mags but it's up to you. Second best choice is 75-120 rounds, you need at least 3-6. The target is always 300 rounds.

Take care, Denis
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Old November 30th, 2011, 20:01   #5
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Awesome thanks guys for taking my questions seriously and giving me exactly the advice I was looking for.

See you out there.
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Old November 30th, 2011, 20:24   #6
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Proper eye protection is a MUST. Face/teeth protection too.
Any suggestions for eye and face protection? I don't have any problem putting up decent money for quality gear.

Also any suggestions for hydration in the field? Camelback? I think my Arktis rig will accomodate a Camelback.
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Old November 30th, 2011, 21:14   #7
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I'd recommend a pair of JT goggles(make sure they are thermal lenses i.e. flex 8, spectra etc) for when you play at paintball fields, and then have a pair of ESS or Revision goggles for when you don't need paintball goggles, as they're far nicer to use. I got a pair of Revision goggles for cheap on eBay since the US is liquidating Foliage Green ones.

As far as a mask, I recommend getting a steel mesh mask, like this: http://www.acmgear.com/black-bear-ai...ey-p-1112.html
^ that's the exact one that I have, and it's great.
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Old November 30th, 2011, 21:54   #8
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Pretty much any paintball field will require paintball goggles. JT's are great for that...and their thermal lenses help with fogging. The facemask is detachable...so you can take that off and run just the goggles if you'd like that. Some guys cut the facemask part down to help with aiming/shouldering weapons.

Other games are played where they require full seal ballistic eyepro...but it doesn't have to be paintball goggles. So glasses like WileyX, Oakleys, ESS, etc...are commonly used. PB Goggles are fine though...and plenty go with those.

Mesh masks are becoming really popular. Either full "wraps" that go ear to ear...down to just a "cup" that covers lips/teeth. Lots of guys use a shemagh and bring it up when they expect engagements (field games, not CQB).

Skirmish games are typically 20-40min "quick games". You don't necessarily need to carry supplies, water, food while in-play. Breaks are frequent...

Milsims usually have you "deploy to the field" with everything you'll need for the duration. They can be most-of-a-day to 30+ hrs. In those cases you'll want to sort yourself out for the activity. Doesn't mean you need to carry it all the time...it's common to stash your stuff somewhere in play and go back to resupply/respawn...but it won't be close to the car

Canteens/nalgenes...hydration packs...they're all common things. Lots of options where you run it in your rig...or keep it in a pack. I prefer to have a bottle on me...and a hydration pack in my backpack.

Hope that helps.

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Old November 30th, 2011, 21:57   #9
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I have the C8 and I help maintain another. It feels, sounds, and runs like a million bucks, you just need to deal with some basic quirks before you start gaming it regularly.

If and when you get this gun make sure you have the motor height adjustment threadlocked to keep the powerful motor from dropping.. it has a tendency to rattle the adjustment screw out if it isn't held in place (this can lead to your pinion gear getting completely shredded). Strongly consider swapping out the gears. They have a tendency to snap. Mine snapped 5 minutes into my first game (about 20-40 rounds in), then the replacements snapped too. I switched to an inexpensive set of SHS torque gears and haven't had issue since. I'm not sure why G&P hasn't addressed a quirk that is common enough to show up on YouTube videos over a year old -- the rest of the gun is so off-the-charts high quality and strong that it's bizarre that their gears break so often . Finally, swap the full metal piston for a polycarbonate one, especially if you're not planning to swap out the gears at first.

If you can get access to a *good* gun doctor and you have some patience, get your gun re-shimmed from-the-bevel. You want your expensive gun to be flawless.

Also, if you want to become really good at fixing guns really fast, ignore all of the above and just let it explode to bits. You'll be an expert at everything from shimming to angle-of-engagement in less than a month .
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Old December 1st, 2011, 13:38   #10
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yeah as said by a few... G&P's are workhorses .. they are expensive but once you figure the upper and lower reciever set sell for $250-350 ALONE (in canada) it isn't too far fetched..

the internal issues with G&P that many have come across seems to be hit and miss.. I have a friend/customer that bought 2 of the same G&P m4's (custom imported stock, not cnd market modded) and they have both seen 20+ thousand rounds each (no joke .. infact that's probably a bit of a low guess) with no internal issues at all ... he's a box mag user that's slowly comming around to midcap use.. so thats all long hard firing

as for the amount of mags to carry... that will really depend on you, your play style, and your trigger finger

personally when I'm not on my saw I carry 10 50rnd mags .. and I can't remember ever running out in the middle of a game. plus side too, unless your looking for a specific type/brand etc M4 mag... they are cheap.. and everywhere... I have a drop pouch on my rig.. but 95% of the time I forget it's there, in the middle of a fire fight I drop my mags to the ground and keep going... haven't lost any yet!

for the pistol... I'm a TM fanboy .. however KSC/KWA series is right up there with TM's .. for me personally my pistol isn't a backup it's another option on my person... I run TM desert eagle(s) and never at any point is there ever a shadow of a doubt in my mind that if I have to sling/drop my primary for what ever reason that I can't stay in and go toe to toe with aegs on the field with it(them) .. so full metal, etc etc etc isn't a primary thing in my brain

for alot of other people the pistol is a backup/secondary/last ditch/holster accesory .. full metal, full proper trades, etc is important to them

take my opinions with a grain of salt.. I'm not a 'normal' player .. nor am I elite.. etc etc.. ofcourse I want the best on the field .. but in reality .. if it works game on

welcome to airsoft and definately check out your local scene from what I understand theres a really good airsoft backing/group(s) in your area for you to feed from info and experience
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Old December 1st, 2011, 14:52   #11
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I have the kwa version of the ksc 226, it's nice and solid in your hands, all metal and costs less than a base TM, which imo, are overpriced in canada currently (well.. all AS guns are overpriced in canada currently, but that's another argument) To get the TM to a full metal state, you're looking at easily twice the purchase price, so I feel the KWA/KSC is a good choice for out of the box into action.

the kwa might be a bit cheaper as it doesn't have the real steel trades on it, but it is mechanically and visually the exact same as the KSC.
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Old December 1st, 2011, 18:32   #12
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The Tokyo Marui Sig P226 is one of the best Airsoft hand guns ever released. I can assure you it's worth every penny. As for full metal pistols, they look and feel great. But they don't do anything for performance. You best bet is to get a TM, and leave the frame and slide stock. Metal slides are very hard on internals. Even when properly upgraded. Still, nothing beats a FMU for look and feel. Nothing wrong with KWA/KSC pistols. TM's are just superior.
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Old December 1st, 2011, 21:53   #13
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You should try and hold a P226 before you buy one. I love SIG rifles, and the look of the SIG pistols, but once I laid my hands on a P226, I decided it wasn't for me. The grip feels like it's swelled up in the middle.
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Old December 1st, 2011, 22:24   #14
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Re: hydration bladder

http://www.blackhawk.com/product/100...r,915,1408.htm

I really like Blackhawk's bite valve, although I haven't seen the current gen Camelbaks.
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Old December 1st, 2011, 22:36   #15
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canadian tire sells camelback bladders for like 15$ they have the simple bite/pull valve and are 2.5l i believe. they are birght blue but nothing a lil camo tape or paint can't fix lol
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