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Old November 1st, 2011, 00:31   #61
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Old November 1st, 2011, 02:16   #62
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As a former Club Admin in one of the largest Airsoft clubs out here in the west, we have had to deal with punkass fools such as these from time to time, our policy is "zero" you do anything to bring the image of our sport down in the eye of the law enforcement or public, you will be flamed, banned tar and feathered, there is no room for fucktards that want to ruin what so many for so long have had to fight and scratch for "acceptance in the community". the fact that airsoft guns can now be purchased so easy makes this job even more important, clubs have to do everything in their power to stay united on this lack of respect and distance themselves from the losers, if the law and community sees that we are making a very conscious effort and not just shrugging our shoulders and shaking our heads, they will be more forgiving to the sport instead of throwing poop on everything to do with airsoft, all people will see then if it ever came to legislation is, "ah get rid of these nuisance toys"
Flame them, Ban them, Take pics and post them, dont be afraid to turn them in, our right to play this game and own the guns is only as strong as the commitment to keep the sport respectful, there is no way we will stop all stupidity but the obvious stuff in front of our face has to be dealt with firmly.
+10000000 to this exactly...

to people saying its not so bad because nothing happened, I say dont be stupid...
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Old November 1st, 2011, 03:44   #63
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Experienced Airsofters don't notify their neighbors and/or local branches of Law Enforcement agencies about games on privately owned land because it's fun.

This is dumb.
Really dumb.

Anyone involved in this really ought to wake up.
This is scary Real Life™ stuff.
You may have gotten away with it because Police knew and trusted that it was all part of a nerdy zombie thing, but they definitely were not happy about it.

All Airsoft vs. Public stuff aside, you really wanted to risk the future of a Food Drive?
Really?
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Old November 1st, 2011, 12:40   #64
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I wore my stuff on halloween as a 'soldier fighting zombies' whilst giving out the candy. My guns stayed inside and out of sight. This is not a good idea, no guns in public fake, real or otherwise!
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Old November 1st, 2011, 13:41   #65
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Really !? You might want to take a long hard look at the firearms laws and their history in this country in the last 20 years and then re read what you wrote. There is nothing illegal about owning and being using firearms, all unregistered firearms can be technically tossed in the back seat of your car and driven to the range. You can clean them on your front porch if you so wish.

All this hiding of things to avoid annoying or frightening someone has never protected a damm thing. This no guns in public garage is what happened when the real steel owners tried to placate the anti-gun crowd. Either we have freedoms or not, voluntarily giving them up is not a good plan.

Just to make sure I am clear pointing firearms or airsoft at people is a BAD IDEA, but having airsoft out at an organized event should not be. The airsoft community has to stop living in fear, and find ways to promote this sport as safe, reasonable and fun.



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I wore my stuff on halloween as a 'soldier fighting zombies' whilst giving out the candy. My guns stayed inside and out of sight. This is not a good idea, no guns in public fake, real or otherwise!
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Old November 1st, 2011, 14:30   #66
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My two cents(actually 4):

1- There are no guaranteed rights to possesion in Canada, especially when the possesion has the potential to cause harm to others. So our "right" to own firearms or replica firearms or airsoft is based on public opinion and how that makes the public in general react, and then how the government reacts to it. So why do something stupid like pointing a weapon at someone in public? Just because its a zombie walk doesnt make it all right. By that logic on rememberance day I have full right to dress up in my WWII kit and points an unloaded gun, airsoft or otherwise, at people as long as they are either dressed as a Nazi or kinda look German. Educating people about airsoft is not the same as cramming it down their throats. And what these people did isnt even close to education.

2-A radio station in Edmonton has a yearly Halloween party and some loser phoned the station on air asking if it was ok to bring his airsoft gun as part of his costume. The DJ went to great lengths to explain to him what a bad idea it was, after telling the listeners what airsoft was. Even he knew that what looks like a weapon in public, even during Halloween is a bad idea.

3-I have a blade called an iaiato(i think I spelled it wrong) that is used mainly for iado, a Japanese sword art where the first strike is in the same motion as drawing the blade. To practise this you use the iaiato because it has real size and weight dimensions, but the edge is only sorta there, just enough to know if you drew it alomg you skin while drawing the blade, and the point is also somewhat dulled. Who would think its a good idea for me to walk around town with it? I mean after all I know its not real?

4-Stop defending them. What they did is stupid and it is a good thing nothing bad happened. A woman in Edmonton once used the cops to commint suicide by pulling a partial clear airsoft on a cop. How many more incicdents like that happen and the police organizations that already dont relly like airsoft will push to get rid of it
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Old November 1st, 2011, 14:43   #67
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Really !? You might want to take a long hard look at the firearms laws and their history in this country in the last 20 years and then re read what you wrote. There is nothing illegal about owning and being using firearms, all unregistered firearms can be technically tossed in the back seat of your car and driven to the range. You can clean them on your front porch if you so wish.

All this hiding of things to avoid annoying or frightening someone has never protected a damm thing. This no guns in public garage is what happened when the real steel owners tried to placate the anti-gun crowd. Either we have freedoms or not, voluntarily giving them up is not a good plan.

Just to make sure I am clear pointing firearms or airsoft at people is a BAD IDEA, but having airsoft out at an organized event should not be. The airsoft community has to stop living in fear, and find ways to promote this sport as safe, reasonable and fun.
+1 to you. Second post in this thread should be the end of it, if the cops don't have a problem with it, then it's not an issue. You lot are far too paranoid.
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Old November 1st, 2011, 15:47   #68
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while I agree on some points that in an organized event that cops said they were fine with, all it takes is 1 person to call it in.

Let me tell you folks about how gunphobic people are in this country. A few years ago, I was hanging out with a bunch of friends playing some games, and the topic of airsoft guns came up and how great a replica they could be. I mentioned that how just a few weeks earlier I had just come back from vegas and shot a bunch of guns. The guy says, hey, want to see it? I want to know what you think on how accurate it is in the look/feel since I shot the exact model it was based off of.

Next week, the guy brought it, and and were admiring it, he was showing the slide function (it was a co2 beretta) He was racking it, showing where the co2 went and where the BBs went. It was obviously empty and incapable of firing.

One of the guys was freaking out in TERROR. he kept asking us if we could put it away, and he was definitely uneasy even being around the thing.

So all you need is one of these guys out there to see you on the street, on your porch, in your back yard and make a 911 call and you have cops showing up and pointing the real thing at you.


We all know it shouldn't be like this and that it's ridiculous that people treat them as such, but the reality is that the general perception is that 'looks like gun, sounds like gun = gun = we should be scared'

I mean you have people calling 911 because they saw a kid pick up a toy gun wasn't even airsoft in a van on the highway. The girl didn't even point it at anything she just picked it up. People are irrationally terrified of firearms.
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Old November 1st, 2011, 15:49   #69
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There were a couple of guys in Winnipeg's zombie walk.
Is it bad that the first thing I noticed was the chicken-wing?
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Old November 1st, 2011, 19:39   #70
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Should we be worried that AGE VERIFIERS are ok with guys doing this.....Not all granted but that doesn't help with the situation, age verifiers are those that the community trusts to verifier players of age so that they also have the opportunity to buy guns from other players on ASC classified forums....Don't get me wrong, if Billy is 18 and is friend Bobby is 16 and wants an airsoft gun and Billy buys it for him there's nothing the age verifiers can do about it but again that fact that we apparently have degrees of infractions within the community worries be.....

It should be simple, only take your gun out at the field, when carrying it make sure it's in a bag or case! No margins for screw ups..................

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Old November 1st, 2011, 20:07   #71
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+1 to you. Second post in this thread should be the end of it, if the cops don't have a problem with it, then it's not an issue. You lot are far too paranoid.
It'll be an issue when Jane J. Soccermom has a panicgasm about it and fingerbangs her Motorola until 911 comes up and whargarbls about someone pointing a gun at people.

Believe me, it's happened in Canada over far less realistic k-mart nerf knockoffs.

When you invest as much as some of the people in this community have in this sport/hobby, you'll find yourself more protective of it and resent the stupidity of people like this.

And if you cannot see the problem with carrying what looks like an assault weapon in public, then you need... I don't know. Go register at paintballcanada.com and play with a piece of clowncum-launching plumbing equipment or something.
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Old November 2nd, 2011, 17:44   #72
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It'll be an issue when Jane J. Soccermom has a panicgasm about it and fingerbangs her Motorola until 911 comes up and whargarbls about someone pointing a gun at people.

Believe me, it's happened in Canada over far less realistic k-mart nerf knockoffs.

When you invest as much as some of the people in this community have in this sport/hobby, you'll find yourself more protective of it and resent the stupidity of people like this.

And if you cannot see the problem with carrying what looks like an assault weapon in public, then you need... I don't know. Go register at paintballcanada.com and play with a piece of clowncum-launching plumbing equipment or something.
"clowncum-launching plumbing equipment" ha ha lol
was a nice car though in the second picture
likewise I'm wondering why those people are on the ground
they must be playing along I spose
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Old November 2nd, 2011, 20:41   #73
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We all know it shouldn't be like this and that it's ridiculous that people treat them as such, but the reality is that the general perception is that 'looks like gun, sounds like gun = gun = we should be scared
Sorry man, gonna disagree with you on that one.

Looks like a gun, should be treated like a gun. (regardless of who's perception) I got no less than 3 barrels waved in my face at OP: Biohazard this week, and those were walcrap / crappy-tire springers, because people don't treat airsoft guns like GUNS.

In public - airsoft gun should be in a case, locked.

At the field (and not engaged in combat) - Barrels down, gun cleared and on safe (or even better, mag out and battery disconnected)

It's *our* sport. We *chose* to play with extreme realism. Gas blowback, black / painted parts, etc... We want it like this because otherwise we're the fucking rainbow brigade playing paintball.

We need to step up and be safer about it, for everyone's sake.
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Old November 3rd, 2011, 01:41   #74
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Sorry man, gonna disagree with you on that one.

Looks like a gun, should be treated like a gun. (regardless of who's perception) I got no less than 3 barrels waved in my face at OP: Biohazard this week, and those were walcrap / crappy-tire springers, because people don't treat airsoft guns like GUNS.

In public - airsoft gun should be in a case, locked.

At the field (and not engaged in combat) - Barrels down, gun cleared and on safe (or even better, mag out and battery disconnected)

It's *our* sport. We *chose* to play with extreme realism. Gas blowback, black / painted parts, etc... We want it like this because otherwise we're the fucking rainbow brigade playing paintball.

We need to step up and be safer about it, for everyone's sake.
+1 HERE FOR SURE....quote"At the field (and not engaged in combat) - Barrels down, gun cleared and on safe (or even better, mag out and battery disconnected)"

Could not have said this better:wink: to the people that are supporting the mentality that this is all ok! "dont be scared and dont hide your guns"!! holy fuck man, give your heads a shake, obviously these people dont belong to an arisoft club and dont think our safety and handling rules are worth shit! cus that's how we treat our Airsoft guns at the clubs, like they are real, like they can melt your eye ball into a runny egg if it by a accidental discharge at 400fps point blank, and how accidents happen!

Now as for Real steel, chucking into the back seat of your car and go off to the range, clean it openly on your front deck, sure I know all about the real steel stuff too, been hunting since 1972 (yah before any gun tote'n laws) also spent 12 yrs in the military (still in Reserves) and other years in security, I have seen way more than people just cleaning their mossberg 22 on the porch, I also know a little about fighting for rights to bare arms etc etc. Man the hillbilly days of hanging your guns in the gun racks are long gone, cleaning your shooters on the porch with your wife beater shirt and a can of Duff beer is also long gone, too many bleeding hearts and too many video tapes and police files to back them, Oh sure you can still do it, but the ethics have changed in the eye of society.

Airsoft needs to be treated like a firearm, are they a firearm....nope...but they can severely injure and they look real enough to me, that if I was on patrol anywhere and someone drew down on me with 99% of the airsoft guns in the world to day, it would be a double tap 5.56!... be a realist, dont hide, just respect and promote.

And dont kid yourselves, if every police chief in Canada had their way, there would be no realistic looking Airguns of any sort, but if we want to fuck with it all, the next step will be like the UK and other parts or Europe, Orange Muzzle, Orange Body, or was it bright Blue? good times.
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Old November 3rd, 2011, 03:15   #75
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Really !? You might want to take a long hard look at the firearms laws and their history in this country in the last 20 years and then re read what you wrote. There is nothing illegal about owning and being using firearms, all unregistered firearms can be technically tossed in the back seat of your car and driven to the range. You can clean them on your front porch if you so wish.
Christ, first off, learn how to use the English language. Secondly, there is nothing illegal about owning firearms provided it's legally done. USE of firearms is a VERY different story, it depends almost entirely on where and how you use them.

As for transporting nin-restricted firearms, this is a very touchy area, I knew a guy who thought the same as you, and yes, you can transport them unloaded, unlocked and out of a container. The individual I mentioned before got nailed by the law, on the grounds that when his vehicle stopped moving, it was no longer a case of "transportation of a firearm", at this point, the law argued that it was "storage of a firearm".

There is no federal law regarding where you can use a firearm, when or in what manner. There is no federal law in where they can be carried. Depending on the area, the tolerance towards them may be higher.

When I was in some buttfuck nowhere place in Alberta, we were "popping" ground hog or some other kind of pest. We ran out of ammunition, we piled into the pickup, 4 of us in the bed, 3 in the cab, rifle out in the bed with us. We drove into town and parked the truck outside the local "Big store". The owner slung his rifle as the doors of the truck were busted, at this point I suggested some of us stay with the truck and the rifle, I was assured "Na, it's fine" and we proceeded into the store, purchased ammunition and left, not a fuck was given. On the way out we passed one of the LE Officers for the town, he asked what we were up to, we told him, he told us to have a nice day. Neither the cop, nor anyone in the store gave a shit. The cashier, in fact, asked us how the gun was performing and if we'd reccomend he buy one. Nobody cared, they're used to seeing guns and that kind of lifestyle.

Try that in a city and see where it gets you. When I went to highschool, one of the kids in my class had a belt with super fake looking bullets on it, some student called the cops to report it as he was concerned the kid with the belt might have brought them for a school shooting. We all got to see armed response.

This is Canada, while some areas may be an exception, behaving properly is enough to put gun owners in a bad light. It's idiots like you, who insist on doing stupid shit, like openly brandishing a firearm or a replica of a firearm, based simply on your interpretation of the law, whether it be a correct or false interpretation, who get a bad image, more criticism/debate/trouble slapped on for the rest of us. The imbecilic actions of one individual hurt us all.

Living smartly and thinking before we do something (What you refer to as living in fear) is what has kept the airsoft community existing. On more than one occassion, we've had this kind of shit happen.
At one of the airsoft conventions, some idiot decided to walk in public with his M4 on his back, cops showed up. Luckily for us, there was 0 issue arise out of it. Though the individual was given the option of having it seized on the spot or getting a gunbag from the convention. Too bad for him, his idiotic behavior earned him a refusal to allow his entry. The correct response from the host in my opinion.

I don't care if the law said I could walk my SVT-40 down the street in downtown toronto, common sense and basic judgement say it's a bad idea, don't do it
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