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Old August 23rd, 2011, 13:11   #16
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Similar situation here in NL; we have a small group so it's easier to resolve these kinds of issues. Typically they get brought up later, in private, and resolved that way. It's very rarely come to name-calling on the field.
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Old August 23rd, 2011, 13:34   #17
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At the start of the game, in the briefing, the last thing I talk about his to remember that everyone came here to have fun and that if they are in a bad mood today that they came here to forget about everything else and have fun. It works so far, games with 90 players and not one complaint of bad behavior. Rules are not there to argue over like lawyers, they are there to give you a basic behavior pattern. If a problem arises on the field, both players should try to be fair to the other player. Worse case, you both die or you both go your way and come back to fight. Once you forget your there to have a good time, you forget how to be a good player and you wont really enjoy yourself.
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Old August 23rd, 2011, 13:49   #18
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Many times I saw my shots going straight but what they really do once you lose sight of them is curve SHARP. They look to the shooter as straight but spin to the side at the last second.
Been on the giving and recieveing end of it.
I remeber those days man, Big games at Dragon OPs was 30 guys. and we were all buddies. Quality Airsofting and treating everyone with basic respect.

I have seen rules written where everyone gets a Name tag, factory or Duct tape. Things go better when you realise you're shooting against guys you know from the boards and who is shooting at you.
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Old August 23rd, 2011, 16:06   #19
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This is a problem I've found as well. It usually seems to stem from specific teams, not just random players. At large away games, teams usually display their own play style. If things are bad on their home field, they tend to bring it with them. It really comes down to the commanders. If your running an airsoft team, you don't want to play with guys that have usual attitude based symptoms. Quality not quantity I guess. It's easy for a whole team to get tarred with the same brush when they have bad players, they bring to away games.

When we bring our team to away games, best behavior, sportsmanship, and attitude are more important than ever. I have noticed many teams being black listed, and the improvement of gameplay at larger milsims. I don't want some jerk making my whole team look bad, never mind dealing with him every weekend at our own field. Every team goes through it's growing pains however, but it's important to look for the right guys to play. Just because someone has the time and money, doesn't mean they'll be a good airsofter. I believe this is why invite only games are becoming more prevellant.

But ya, it's starts on your home field. Be the one to set the examples, play sportsmanlike, and Remember that fighting does nothing but bring the whole team down. No one likes a whiner, but if nothing is reported then the behavior will continue.

On a side note; I'd like to mention the players who think they hit everything. But seem not to realize, their gun can't brush cut, their aim isn't very good, or sometimes their equipment is sub-par. They seem to be the ones that yell "COME ON!", or "CALL YOUR HITS!". Anyone else been just standing there, or walking by and the BB's aren't even coming close?

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Old August 23rd, 2011, 16:12   #20
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I blame Xbox live, and call of duty. Damn kids and their videogames.
Anyway, remember that counterstrike is the game that taught us, if a person is good, they MUST be cheating.
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Old August 23rd, 2011, 16:46   #21
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I have a feeling that the name-calling and shouting off vulgarities stems from the fact that this new generation of players are sheltered from actual human contact by things like Facebook and the internet, subsequently making them afraid of confrontation for problems like this. Shouting off profanities from a distance or privately to team mates is lightyears easier than actually confronting the player in question and risk having an awkward moment when they disagree with you.

Personally, I have the same fears of "provoking" others due to uncalled shots so I generally tend to avoid doing so. Should I feel that the player in question is a repeat offender or they're intentionally cheating - I usually use this trick to avoid any potential butthurts that may result: I tell them that my gun is experiencing hopup problems and ask if they felt any of my shots and that I had a perfectly clear shot at them.

Asking this way removes the tension from the situation and any butthurts from misunderstandings can be avoided.
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Old August 23rd, 2011, 16:56   #22
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I think that if a player is "checking" themselves its fine to tell them it was in fact a hit. I know, especially with low fps guns or low rof weapons hitting say a boot or vest a hit might just make someone think they dropped or bumped something.

yeah comments take away from the atmosphere a bit, but I like hearing/giving positive feedback during a game. If I see lots of thumbs up and positive comments coming from players, It reasures me that this is a good group of people and everyone is playing fair while having fun.
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Old August 23rd, 2011, 17:01   #23
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Unless it's obvious or blatant, always give the player the benefit of the doubt. We've all not called a hit unintentionally. The problem here is guys repeat offending. Or in the primary basis of this post, the attitudes that arise. In airsoft attitude is everything. The right thought process will decide a players future. If your a good guy, and a straight shooter people tend not to question or accuse you. But when it's allowed to spread around, everyones attitude is affected. You end up with guys so frustrated they resort to yelling, arguing, or unsportsmanlike conduct. I'm a big fan of banning players and teams from further events. It sets an example to others to control themselves, it rewards the sportsmanlike players, and actually can give an event a better rep.
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Old August 23rd, 2011, 17:03   #24
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Enough with all the introspective thought on hit calling. JUST CALL YOUR DAMN HITS.
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Old August 23rd, 2011, 17:10   #25
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I like it when someone says I did a nice shot, though...
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Old August 23rd, 2011, 17:23   #26
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True enough. Positive feedback, and chatter can also help the situation. But as far as calling hits go. Ya, you have to call them. It's what this whole sport is based on after all. I think these issues have come about due to the frequency of players not calling hits. If it was more isolated like when there were fewer players/teams, it wouldn't be an issue.
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Old August 23rd, 2011, 17:28   #27
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Enough with all the introspective thought on hit calling. JUST CALL YOUR DAMN HITS.

and don't be a douche.
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Old August 23rd, 2011, 20:07   #28
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I've been cussing at other players for years.

Usually though, it's more like:

"I got you now you bastard!!"

or

"Stand up and fight like a man" (I've actually gotten a few kills that way).

or

"You got me, asshole!!"

None of it is mean-spriited, I just cuss like a German truck-drivin' sailor.

I have on occasion caught guys who ignored a double-tap intentionally, and I advised them to call themselves out or they'll get the rest of the mag. That is usually enough.
haha im pretty much the same way ill swear then say nice shot or good kill or ill yell at a guy to keep still so i can shoot him =p
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Old August 23rd, 2011, 20:17   #29
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This is a great discussion and I think everyone should give this a read.

Playing fair is the only thing we have!

On the side of the shooter: Ensure the person is dead!
On the side of the shootee: Call your hits!

Again Great Discussion!
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Old August 24th, 2011, 01:12   #30
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Thanks, Brian.

Need a reminder every once and a while to not take getting hit too seriously, and that it's only a game. Doesn't matter if I get hit, I get to come back. I don't disregard hits purposefully, but I certainly do feel annoyed, or frustrated when I get hit occasionally. Have to bring that back down and remember I get to re-spawn shortly thereafter.

I'll have to remember the "nice shot" doctrine, I feel that that's much better, and far more polite.
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