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Old July 8th, 2011, 19:01   #16
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i have bastards plenty infact i just like to experiment with as many brands as possible to find
what works with my gun the best in different scenarios.
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Old July 8th, 2011, 20:06   #17
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I never said my gun was jamming. I said my gun was double feeding!
Those that were with me had the jamming issues. I apologize if my verbage wasnt clear.

I actually dont even use bastards myself. I use a brand of BB's I bought when i was in the US last year. They work awesome.
Im not touting Bastards as the best. They are good though.
I just said I will never use a Green Devil again!
man behind the rifle- there is a thread on here somewhere if you do a search of someone who took some close up pictures of Green Devils before claybank. Maybe those pics might be informative!
Or, spend the money, buy a bag and see if they work for you. All guns are different, and you might like green devils while others wont!
Most of those pictures were from the test batches that were horrible stored and warped from the year before. IIRC
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Old July 9th, 2011, 02:51   #18
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anyone have any experience looking at their .3g. apperantly their a sub brand of bioval ?
Green Devils are not a subbrand or rebrand. They are made specifically for the UK Green Devil brand Owner (Ironfoot Industries). I am the exclusive Canadian Distributor.

The pics shown in the earlier thread were of product that had been exposed to excessive heat. I have seen other brands exhibit the same type of deformities, some much worse. Any BB made from plastic or biodegradeable material would do that. I've got some ECO Bastards from one of my customers that look like little potatoes they are so deformed. I'm sure they did not leave the factory that way and I highly doubt they were sold in that condition. I know the samples shown in the other thread did not leave for the client like that as every sample bag is hand packed.

For those who have had problems with my product (and I'm sure other brands reps/suppliers would like this), please contact us with problems you've had. It would be nice to know if there are issues with the product we could address with our suppliers. It's very disconserting to hear about problems for the first time in a public forum and not have any info to go on as to if it's an actual product issue or a gun/mag issue. I was at OP Mason Relic the entire event and I heard of no issues being brought up at the event from any one.

As Oborous said, airsoft guns can be just like real guns. Try out several brands and use the one your gun performs with best.

If you want to try them out, PM me your address and I'll mail you some samples of whatever weights you want free of charge.
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Old July 9th, 2011, 07:12   #19
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Green devils are all I use, never had a problem.
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Old July 9th, 2011, 15:16   #20
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I know several local guys who bought green devil ecos at claybank then a week later at another local game had double feed and jaming issues with the same batch of bbs, at that point I disposed of all the green devils I had at my place and continued to use the bastard ecos I had sitting in my garage from last years claybank game. I've left them sitting beside a windOw which gets all the afternoon heat and they still work flawlessly.

Over the years I've also used excel, elite, guarder, guarder heavy grade, tm, evike, tsm, metal tech, and a few others that I can't remember the names of. I've always ended up back with my Bastards as they are the only ones to never disappoint me.
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Old July 11th, 2011, 00:38   #21
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I use green devils I have tried the .20 and .25 so far, not any .30's
This is due to the fact my local store only carries green devils
I have had some double feed issues, but I believe double feed is a magazine problem at least for myself. I had Zero problems with either of my hi cap mags, double feed occurred only when using a mid cap Kings Arm plastic mag(120)
I will someday order some bastards and try them out.
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Old July 11th, 2011, 00:44   #22
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I have used Bastard Eco's and they worked Flawlessly however i cannot say anything about green devils as i have not used them and probably never will i hardly ever use eco's and when i do im a BASTARD all the way. Comes back to the" if it aint broke dont fix it" saying.
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Old July 11th, 2011, 14:54   #23
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well the devils should come soon i am however using a ca m24 so i don't think double feeding issues will be a problem normally BAR dont have mag problems even the horendouse m24 mags ,but will see. i guess that like all airsoft comps green devil may have had a control problem in one batch. meh happends to the best.

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Old July 11th, 2011, 15:04   #24
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"If you want to try them out, PM me your address and I'll mail you some samples of whatever weights you want free of charge"

its this sort of kindness we should show to all airsofters we are members of a sport that has grown from nothing and with pball doing bad its our time to show the world that airsoft isn't about walmart guns in the backyard but that its much much more.

thanks for the offer darklen but money is not an issue so i dont mind buying a few bags.

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Old July 20th, 2011, 09:04   #25
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In my team we use green devils .28 and .30 bb and we have good result
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Old July 20th, 2011, 16:49   #26
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In short I think

If you want to run 0.30g bb on bio, run Green Devil
If you want non-bio or heavy weight (0.36g, 0.40g, 0.43g) run Bastard
If you want to save money and your gun don't mind run Green Devil


The biggest complaint I have against Bastard is the cost, they're more expensive than Green Devil in the bio sector, My gun runs fine on both, I went with Devil because its cheaper.
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Old July 20th, 2011, 19:10   #27
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The only problem I've had with green devils is when I left a pistol mag in my gear bag in my trunk for a week. The extreme heat warped the bb's and they stuck together. keep them out of 40 + heat and you'll be fine.
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Old July 20th, 2011, 19:26   #28
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Bastards value and consistency outwiegh EVERY other BB out there. I would never try and save $2 on a bag of BBs with the chance that is will damage a $1000 gun. That is not smart. Consistency and shelf life, as well as I have NEVER had a jam, even on a drum mag. I was given a competing "premium" bag for free, and decided to use them to burn off a few drums at a target....bad move. Looks like I stripped the gears in my mag not following my own advice.
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Old July 21st, 2011, 05:35   #29
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My CA 249 Jammed on Green Devils
My ICS L85 Jammed on Green Devils (had to pick them out. then when I did I found one in the hop with a skin around it.. NICE.... showed it to Amos and well we both had a good laugh.

the Even Jammed in my MP9 GBB Yep.. sorry can't trust bbs that are bad.
one of the BB's I pulled out of my 249 from Chrono (never ran it the first day) was not round... it was oval...

anywho just my experience.
I never bought Green Devils for CB I stuck with BB Bastard.


BUT I will say this... I do hate Bio BB's

took the 1 bag of BB Bastards I had left and about a week ago put them into a bunch of my MP9 Mags.
then never gamed the MP9.
the gun and the mags loaded sat in a car. in about +30 degree heat.

anywho 2 days later went to empty the mags and had to pick every bb out of the mag by hand something went seriously wrong with the Bio BB from BB Bastard..

I wish we could run the regular styrene BB's at claybank... Much better..

anywho my experience

Never will by Green Devils
Won't buy BB Bastard's Bio BB again unless Claybank forces me to...
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Old July 21st, 2011, 15:53   #30
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My CA 249 Jammed on Green Devils
the gun and the mags loaded sat in a car. in about +30 degree heat.

anywho 2 days later went to empty the mags and had to pick every bb out of the mag by hand something went seriously wrong with the Bio BB from BB Bastard..
There is a reason that they are stored in sealed bags with silica gel packets to absorb moisture.
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