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Old June 14th, 2005, 21:22   #31
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I know that they where trying to secure and defend the crash site but why would they ever send two snipers down agaisnt giant mooobs? ( atleast in the movie)
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Old June 14th, 2005, 21:28   #32
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I know that they where trying to secure and defend the crash site but why would they ever send two snipers down agaisnt giant mooobs? ( atleast in the movie)
Shugart and Gordon voulenteerd to go down and try to secure the site until the ground convoy arrived. The two probably thought they convoy (Strukers Column went back out for Durant IIRC) would arrive soon, and they would be able to hold off the mob by select targeting...
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Old June 14th, 2005, 22:24   #33
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m-21 is simply an m-14 with a scope attached to it....thats it.
err...no its not simply an M14 with a scope on it......
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Old June 14th, 2005, 22:42   #34
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From www.snipercentral.com:

The M25/XM25 is a joint venture sniper rifle, built for both the US Army Special Forces and the US Navy SEALs. It was orginally developed by the 10th SFG base at Ft. Devens in response to a requirement for a match grade M14 for Special Forces sniper teams. USSOCCOM was dubbing the rifle the "Light Sniper Rifle", and its also known as the "Sniper Security System" and "Product Improved M21".
The M25 is similar to the M21 in many regards, its a National Match M14 glass bedded in a McMillan fiberglass stock, uses a special gas piston, a National Match spring guide and a BPT (Brookfield Precision Tool) Advanced Scope Mounting System. Most rifles use the B&L 10x Tactical scope. Some of the Army rifles use some of the Leupold Ultra MK4 series of scopes. (Both the M3 and M1), and the Navy rifles have been seen with Leupolds also (MK4s and VariX-III LR M3s). Ops Inc suppressors have also been used on some of the rifles.
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Old June 16th, 2005, 00:55   #35
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More in-depth comparison here:
http://www.springfield-armory.com/pr...m1a-stan.shtml
http://www.springfield-armory.com/prod-rifles-m21.shtml
http://www.springfield-armory.com/prod-rifles-m25.shtml
Not to mention the possibility of any of hundreds of third-party mods, Fulton Armory, etc.

Notice who supplied the pic of the two snipers to the Medal of Honor page I posted above? Lee Van Arsdale. Another 'Delta guy' (no, really) who was there 'that day', and was also the consultant to the movie. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1388339/?...g__;fc=1;ft=20
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Old June 24th, 2005, 12:27   #36
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OK. Ive seen this movie several times and its one of my favourites but i could be wrong... I believe the gun Shugart was using is an m14 with some type of scope on it. I got some screens from the movie ill let everyone decide:



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Old June 24th, 2005, 17:54   #37
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Looks like a aimpoint model to me.
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Old June 24th, 2005, 18:19   #38
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For the record, in the movie he has an aimpoint on a brookfield mount. Good luck ever finding the mount.
From earlier in the thread...

edit: I just noticed something else, in those pics the rifle has a selector switch, which is apparently absent on the m21/25 (or is it still there but not functional?) -so at least in the movie we can say that he's carrying an m14 with the scope/mount I mentioned above.
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Old August 17th, 2006, 14:54   #39
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its an M14, the recoil is quite heavy on that rifle because of the 308. cal
I think the M14 is one of the best rifles of all time along with the FN Fal
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its an M14, the recoil is quite heavy on that rifle because of the 308. cal
I think the M14 is one of the best rifles of all time along with the FN Fal
Holy Necropost batman.
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Old August 17th, 2006, 17:15   #41
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M21/25s also contain match grade barrels. Shughart's rifle in BHD had an Aimpoint sight, but in real life Shuhart did not use an Aimpoint, because they werent invented yet.
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Old August 17th, 2006, 17:31   #42
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Handicapper, you are incorrect, the Aimpoint Comp came to be in early '93.

http://www.aimpoint.com/o.o.i.s?id=4...&product_id=78

Launched 1993


Since the pistol shooting and above all, the Practical shooting (IPSC) increased during 1993, a smaller and lighter sight intended for handguns, Aimpoint Comp, was developed.
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Old August 18th, 2006, 18:30   #43
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in that one scene if you watch closely that M14 becomes a M16 I think it was an editing error
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Old August 18th, 2006, 18:54   #44
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No he was using one of the crew of the down Hawk guns. But if you watch just be for the Delta sniper (not sure if it was Gordon or Shughart that went donw first) gives Mike Durant the M4 he is alread holding the M4 on his lap.
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Old August 18th, 2006, 18:59   #45
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lol not that scene there is a scene where the guy with the M14 is shooting at the enemy and the scene changes and he's still shooting but this time he has an M16
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