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Old April 1st, 2011, 02:18   #1
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New and what to do?

ok im 17 turning 18 soon so im getting prepared and all...what should i do?

(after being verified of course)

1) should I find a team or go with my older brother and hook up with a big group at the feild?

2)obviously being new should i stick closer to the vet's and learn something? or learn it the hard way?

3) are ranks an acctual thing or is that just baced on groups and their internal ranking?

4)im aproxy 5'8 should i be getting a L96 sniper or not? (I enjoy sniping)

5)Where should I start for first game (woodland, indoor...)

Any answers be muchly appriciated.
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Old April 1st, 2011, 02:39   #2
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1. Whatever you feel like doing.
2. Whatever you feel like doing.
3. Some teams use ranks, some don't.
4.Everyone will tell you not to pick a sniper as your first gun.
5.Whatever you feel like doing.
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Old April 1st, 2011, 02:50   #3
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1) Getting out to a game can be very helpful. You can meet other players, including Age Verification reps. That way you can just prove to them you're 18 without having to make a separate trip. You'll also get a good idea of how the games generally play out. Many games also have rental guns, so if you're of age but dont have a gun yet, you can probably get a loaner and play a few games!

2) Going solo in pretty much any game wont help you much as a newbie. A lot of scenarios are team based, so it would be better to stick with your teammates and move around in the same group. That way you can always ask someone if you have any doubts or are confused.

3) Some teams and certain milsim games may have ranks and designations. Other games are casual that are just about playing as a team and having fun

4) I know you enjoy sniping, but almost everyone here is going to tell you to get an AEG for your first gun. There are a number of reasons here. First is that AEGs are generally reliable and dont need much maintenance. As long as you have a charged battery and bbs, you can unpack the gun before a game and pack it back after, without running into any issues or needing any internal maintenance. A spring based sniper rifle could be used the same way, but dont forget that a) most fields have FPS limits, and its likely that your opponents AEG will be shooting at the same speed and range as your sniper rifle, and b) your opponent will be shooting 15 bbs at you in the time it takes for you to shoot 1 bb and cycle your bolt, which would put you at a distinct disadvantage.
Get an AEG first and get a feel for the game...how you shoot, how your opponents shoot, how easy/hard it is to shoot from cover or to maneuver. It'll make it easier for you. Once you get a little experience, you can try a sniper rifle. If it suits you well, you'll easily be able to sell your AEG and invest in a more hardcore sniper loadout

5) Doesnt matter really. Both games are fun in their own way.
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Old April 1st, 2011, 03:53   #4
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Alright I'll help you out since at least you ask some decent questions.

First go read the FAQ section however as for the questions you have not answered in the FAQ's:

1) Up to you. But joining in a game is as easy as just posting "in" on a game day thread (but don't flake (unless it's a good reason or within a reasonable time to inform them (ie. 48 or 72 hours in advance should be fine) cause organizers don't like that). You can always find a team later, and see what different teams group dynamics are. Some people enjoy being hardcore WWII reenactors, others modern military, and even others as a "weekend warrior" type of thing. I personally fall under the slightly milsim/woodsball/recreational type of play.

2) Learn as much as you can from the vets but there are some things you just have to figure out yourself. Don't however, ask for advice and completely disregard it. Think it through and if it makes sense then it's all good, if not then at least have a compelling or well thought out argument against such advice.

3) "Ranks" are just internal. Some may use them to separate admins/regular players (ie. Admin/Mod/Member/Probationary Member) or more experienced and less experienced players (ie. Maj(President)/Capt(Vice President)/Lt.(Moderator)/Sgt(Senior Member)/Cpl(Junior Member)/Pte(New Member)) but at the end of the day they're pretty much "imaginary", we all just want a cold beer and some wings or whatever at the end of the day(although, if you do that then airsoft may not actually be "exercise" per se since you're putting those calories burned back on). This is basically like roleplaying, not the real army or anything (although some teams may treat it as such). Remember, at the end of the day it's all about fun, whether that's following hardcore strict military simulation (ie. a "Busmans holiday") or more of a relaxed style of gameplay to get some exercise and relieve stress from the working week.

4) Flat out, no. If you want to get into that role I highly suggest getting an AEG capable of full auto and making it a DMR (and playing single shot) then moving up to sniping. As well, the investment for a sniper rifle is high, about $1000+ to upgrade it to the "perfect airsoft sniper rifle" and even then it's not terribly much better than a regular AEG since after all they both operate using the same ammo, same velocities (unless the admins allow you to run hotter for sniper rifles but even then the ideal speed is still ~400 FPS on .20's so you can only really upgrade parts that add accuracy and consistency to your shots).

PS: Never use the word sniper to refer to the gun, call it a sniper rifle.

5) Either or but indoor might be more preferable since it may be closer (depends where you live though, ie. Downtown CBD vs slightly on the outskirts of town). As well there's generally less gear requirements for indoor (ie. you can wear jeans + t-shirt and won't be at a disadvantage compared to wearing the same at an outdoor game but remember always that proper footwear is important). But don't let that discourage you from outdoor games if that's all that's available, I started on outdoor games and they're fun in their own respect as well.
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Old April 1st, 2011, 20:15   #5
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thanks everyone for their input.

So i should go with a DMR ok whats good but cheap and ok for a new player any ideas???
or should i just get a sort of SMG to start?
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Old April 1st, 2011, 20:26   #6
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If your really serious about getting into the sniper role, I recomend going with a long barrel'd AEG assault rifle such as an M16 Or full length G36, then upgrade it. That way you get used to long heavy weapons, and at anypoint, you can decide to convert it back. If sniping is just something you think would be cool to try out, you can ask to try one for a round or two.
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Old April 1st, 2011, 20:27   #7
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One thing to keep in mind when it comes to Airsoft Sniping, and that your from Ontario. Is that a lot of the groups and game organizers will not let you use it unless your certified by one of the Airsoft Sniper courses that are periodically run.

That and honestly a lot of the AEG's will shoot just as far and accurately with the right upgrades/modifications, so may as well find an AEG you like and if you want to snipe go to semi auto.
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Old April 2nd, 2011, 04:03   #8
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One thing to keep in mind when it comes to Airsoft Sniping, and that your from Ontario. Is that a lot of the groups and game organizers will not let you use it unless your certified by one of the Airsoft Sniper courses that are periodically run.
Sorry I'm out in the west so don't know about Ontario games but does that apply to people that want to use "hot" sniper rifles or all sniper rifles (ie. under 400 FPS or game limit).

OP: 400 FPS (on .20g BB) is where you generally want to be sitting at or so I'm told, you also bring it down even further by using .30g BB's, increasing effective range and consistency/accuracy but lose speed from the projectile.

As for what to start with, everyone has their own opinion but I would honestly start with something of higher quality right off the bat. It doesn't have to be a $700+ rifle but something like a $350 rifle will be awesome as a starter and stepping stone.

If you really want a DMR that you can play with right off the bat. Then Classic Army has a "SR-25" (model name CA25) and IMO that's pretty much perfect externally, but it does come in at a hefty ~$650 + shipping and internals aren't as great as they could be (but then again, the internals aren't crap like they were 5-6 years ago). As well since they're "7.62 mags", they'll be slightly harder to find and more expensive as well. OR Maybe you decide that something in the $400-500 range is more like it. Note that all the ammo in airsoft is the same size you don't get any benefits of having an AK or M16 or MP5 or whatever, what really matters then is the internals and how much consistency they provide in propelling a BB out of the gun.

There is also the option of buying used from the classifieds system. You might be able to find a good "starter package" for $600 or so (which might include extra mags, optics, extra battery, possibly a charger, half a bag of BB's, etc.).

Only other suggestion is that you should get a gun that's relatively more "common" like an M16 or AK if you're starting out due to plenty of parts available for them and mag compatibility as well (ie. if you need to borrow a mag for your first outing it's not some obscure one like a 7.62 mag).
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Old April 2nd, 2011, 05:03   #9
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build a DMR platform off a M16, thats ur best option, no point getting a Bolt Action sniper unless you are good at it, and get certified, you are better off with a aeg sniper. maybe get a Real Sword SVD but thats expensive, building the m16 DMR is ur best option imo
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Old April 2nd, 2011, 20:59   #10
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Original spec Dboys SPR Mk12 Mod 0

So i looked around for a gun that i think would do fine would this one fit your suggestions???

Again thanks for all the input

I believe its DMR off of the M16 but then again i dont know much about airsoft guns yet...
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Old April 2nd, 2011, 21:39   #11
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Original spec Dboys SPR Mk12 Mod 0

So i looked around for a gun that i think would do fine would this one fit your suggestions???

Again thanks for all the input

I believe its DMR off of the M16 but then again i dont know much about airsoft guns yet...
Yes that would fall into the DMR category as you wanted, the look of it is based off the real thing. 99 Percent of airsoft guns are based off the real model. however functionality is obviously different. i wouldnt go with Dboys due to the fact i dont trust ACM ( All China Made) guns made my China Companies.

Note There is a difference between HONG KONG companies and China Companies, People tend to make the assumption that Hong Kong is in China and under one government, but its actually a special administrative region that has its own Government. whilst Airsoft is legal in Hong Kong its not "legal" in china. you need licences to own one in china.

I would go with G&P, VFC, King arms or even G&G made guns. Those are Hong Kong and Taiwan companies. Quality Control is a lot better, of course they cost alot more than your average ACM gun. If you are on a budget then by all means go for the Dboys but if you have a higher budget in your grasp, id suggest you go for a the Hong Kong or Taiwan Companies i Mentioned above.
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Old April 2nd, 2011, 22:29   #12
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Go to a game, hold lots of guns and ask lots of questions. Then choose a gun based on what you saw. I would recomend you something of a carbine size that would do OK in CQB and the woods aswell.
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Old April 2nd, 2011, 22:41   #13
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but if im getting guns from hong kong wouuldnt the shipping fees be really high due to getting it over the boarder? is there anyway i could get a nice but cheaper DMR in canada? can i buy used cause i know most people keep their guns in good shape...then all id have to do is fix it up or upgrade it wouldnt that be cheaper?
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Old April 2nd, 2011, 22:45   #14
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Check the game threads...arrange for a rental. Chat it up with the guys and have a bucketload of fun.

...afterwards, figure out if you want to run around and get up into the mix of things...or if you want to stand off more and pick people off at range. Personally...there's lots of both to be done, but moving around and getting into it is A LOT more fun for me

If you preferred the run&gun moving around...get a shorter weapon. I.e. M4/G36/AUG/P90/SIG/etc....

If you prefer to stand off...then go for a longer one. DMR/SPR/M16/longer SIG 55x/G3/etc...

A nicely tuned carbine (e.g. M4) will do a nice job of both.

Don't buy anything until you've played a couple of games.

(then...when you get sick and tired of all the pouches/mags/stuff...you'll buy a SAW/LMG )
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Old April 2nd, 2011, 23:04   #15
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but if im getting guns from hong kong wouuldnt the shipping fees be really high due to getting it over the boarder? is there anyway i could get a nice but cheaper DMR in canada? can i buy used cause i know most people keep their guns in good shape...then all id have to do is fix it up or upgrade it wouldnt that be cheaper?
All airsoft guns are manufactured in ASIA there are no airsoft manufactures in Canada, I didnt mean buy guns from hong kong, but when u get ur gun, get guns from those manufacturers. You should do some research about airsoft guns first before getting into airsoft.

Buying a used one would only be slightly cheaper because of the insanely inflated prices over here. there are people who import airsoft guns from Hong Kong retailers.

All the aftermarket upgrades you see are all made by Japanese, Taiwan and Hong Kong Companies. Thats because Hong Kong Is the airsoft Capital of the world, majority of Manufacturers are from around that area,

Prometheus and Gaurder, systema makes the best after market parts, King Arms gear sets are also good. these are all asian manufacturers.

if you gona look for a DMR once u get AVed you will find tons of people selling them on the classifieds. right now thats all we can tell you, and dont bother buying from overseas, it will get confiscated at customs. even though it is cheaper. but if you compare prices of those in Asian Retailers and the prices here back over there its alot cheaper. everything is double the price here in canada.
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