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Old January 14th, 2011, 18:49   #136
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je comprend un peu ce que les autre son en traine de dire, mais je te trouve très courageux de ne pas tienquiété le plus qu'il fallait apres avoir passé a travers d'une situation come celle si. c'est absolument ridicul de supçonné que tu était un danger pour la société et toi même. mais je trouve que tu devrai demander pour une excuse de ton travaille pour avoir penssé à ca.
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Old January 14th, 2011, 19:34   #137
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Well, I'm thinking about this. Like I said, yes, I asked a CSN union worker to represent me on monday. I don't know all my right as a worker and this is why I asked him to be present. All the union workers are with and I'm talking with them as soon as something new happens. And since the beginning. Yes I have in mind to treathen them to sue them, but in fact, I don't have the knowledge and, most important, the money. So I'm asking you, yes now that I "cooperated" with them I became very tired of this game. What can I do? Is there some kind of lawers or ogranism that can help me for free? I'm in a very bad financial situation right now, I'm actualy owning more money than I'm wining in a month, so I really can't pay a lawer. I have the weekend to think about this, I live in Laval/Montreal. Any ideas where to seek juridic conselance for free? Thanks again for your participation!

And yes as soon as I clear my debts I'm quiting this job. Actualy it's my financial situation that hold me there, nothing else.

And thanks for the kinds words. Yes I'm playing it cool. But I can't say that I'm not very tired and that it takes some physical tone on me.

No one speaked with me before. Actualy they played very cheap. I was, as I said, in "un arrêt de travail" a medical week off. They told me to see my doctor to have a paper to go back to work. I did, and as soon as I finished saying those words, they told me: ok. We refused your coming back. You must see a medical psy to come back because of some disturbing videos. Tomorrow.

It all went very fast, 2 days in total begining from the "we refused" to the "you are under arrested" to now.

I'm trying to sort everything out and I appreciated your help, even if most of you are finding me too calm and soft

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Old January 14th, 2011, 19:58   #138
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You tube Videos of him with guns.. newly issued PAL.. nothing on the registry...

So... maybe ... the registry did work? ( that took a lot to type)
and we applaud the effort

I still don't understand why they just didnt look at the other videos
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Old January 14th, 2011, 20:34   #139
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Is there some kind of lawers or ogranism that can help me for free? I'm in a very bad financial situation right now, I'm actualy owning more money than I'm wining in a month, so I really can't pay a lawer. I have the weekend to think about this, I live in Laval/Montreal. Any ideas where to seek juridic conselance for free? Thanks again for your participation!
There is "aide juridique" here in québec, that may be able to help you. Also, some lawyers get paid only if they win your lawsuit. You could check for one of these too.
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Old January 14th, 2011, 20:59   #140
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Is there some kind of lawers or ogranism that can help me for free? I'm in a very bad financial situation right now, I'm actualy owning more money than I'm wining in a month, so I really can't pay a lawer. I have the weekend to think about this, I live in Laval/Montreal. Any ideas where to seek juridic conselance for free? Thanks again for your participation!
Your Union representative should not cost you anything. They get paid by the union not you, atleast this is how it works in my Union(UFCW 1508).
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Old January 14th, 2011, 22:07   #141
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There is "aide juridique" here in québec, that may be able to help you. Also, some lawyers get paid only if they win your lawsuit. You could check for one of these too.
I am pretty sure I said that a few pages back.


Seriously Sim, you need to pull your head out of your ass and realize that your Charter rights were violated 8 ways from Sunday.

Your reputation not only at your workplace but in your profession is now completely tarnished. Slander can completely ruin the rest of your career.

I don't completely know the Quebec civil code or labour laws, but in Ontario you could sue the hospital easily for a pretty good sum and win.

I would bet that if you spent a few hours(maybe a day) you could find a lawyer who would do the work. I just googled "pro bono lawyers in Montreal" and a few popped out.

As said before this doesn't affect JUST YOU. This is a very dangerous precedent to be set if you don't fight back.
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Old January 15th, 2011, 00:20   #142
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At the end of the day, this serves as a reminder, that as individuals we need to manage perception, whether we like it or not. Charter rights or not.. this is a road I don't think anyone really wants to go down.
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Old January 15th, 2011, 00:58   #143
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Not exactly applicable to this case as the OP has said the police did in fact have a warrant, but this is a clear indication of how the police WILL try to get you to slip up and grant entry for their "fishing" expeditions no matter how flimsy their so-called evidence is. It's worth reading.

Posted from another forum:

"...At 3:30, I pick up my mail and note that I have a package waiting at security. This is standard operating procedures for my condo. Security signs for packages. I actually had 3 packages. One package consisted of two CZ858s (one restricted, one non-restricted) and two individual crates of 7.62x39. Although the CZs were discretely packaged, the ammo was not.

When I pick up the packages, the security officer (an older gentleman - perhaps in his 50's) said, "Oh, your the one with the rifles and ammo". I didn't really respond to this. He then stated, "Well, I hope you don't plan on keeping this stuff here". I responded, "Why not"? His answer, "I DON'T WANT TO SEE ANYBODY GET SHOT". I attempted to reassure him that I would be the last person to worry about going on a rampage.

I then took all my packages up to my condo (encountered absolutely nobody along the way), opened up the rifle boxes, cleaned them, trigger locked the non-restricted and properly secured the restricted. I then broke down the cardboard boxes (which only said "CZ" on them as well as had a little sticker which said "858-2" and "858-4". I also removed any identifying names (mine) from the packages and placed them in the recycling bin.

Skip forward to 9:10pm. My wife returns from her Pilates class and finds several uniformed police officers gathered in the elevator area on my floor. They ask her where she is going and when she tells them, they frantically call their superiors and state "We have the wife right here". They ask her whether I'm home and she tells them that she isn't 100% certain. Guessing that it is something firearms related, and knowing what kind of fishing expeditions happen with inspections, she refuses multiple requests to enter with her, and she also refuses to leave the door open. She then tells me what she encountered and then I wait. For approximately 20 minutes, nothing happens. I am able to note 4 marked police cruisers and one unmarked are waiting downstairs (isn't technology wonderful). I then see an officer with the rifle boxes place them in the trunk of one of the cruisers. Figuring they weren't going away, and knowing I did nothing wrong, and wanting to get some sleep, I call 22 division and tell them that I wanted somebody from the crew down there to call me.

About two minutes later, I do receive the call. Basically the sargeant tells me that they received a call and found my two boxes. He tells me that her knows that I am a legal firearms owner and that he has checked the system and sees that the non-restricted CZ is registered to me, but that the restricted is not. He says that he wants to come and inspect the firearm, the certificate and the storage. When I asked him whether they had a warrant, he responded that they DID NOT. I told the sargeant that I do have a certificate and that he should be calling the CFC which would certainly be able to prove it's worth the billions of dollars we have poured into it. He again explains that it isn't in the system and that he needs to come and check. I then ask him, "What law do you think I have violated", to which he responds, "That's what we are trying to determine". I end the converstion with "I'm sorry, without a warrant, you will not be entering my suite, and I will not help you with your fishing expedition". At this point, I believe that the sargeant lost cell phone reception (happens often on the ground floor) since the converstion ended mid sentence.

I then get my notice of transfer out to get the registration certificate number and wait for a call back. After about five minutes of no call, I contact 22 division again and ask that the sargeant call me back so I can forward him my certificate number and end this fiasco of wasted time and resources. A couple of minutes later, I get the knock at the door. From this point, here's the converstion as I remember it (Me = Me, Him = Detective Constable with the Guns and Gang Squad)

KNOCK KNOCK
Me: Who is it?
Him: Toronto Police

Me: OK
Pause...

Him: Can you open the door?
Me: I'm sorry, it's late, I'm not feeling well, and I'm not decent.

Him: Can you go throw some clothes on so you can open the door?
Me: It's my house and I elect not to.

Him: It's kind of awkward speaking through the door.
Me: Sorry, but if you want to speak with me, it will have to be this way.

At this point, he goes over the same story that the sargeant did over the phone about the restricted rifle not being in the system and that he wanted to enter to check it's legitimacy.

Me: Why don't you call the CFC?
Him: Well, our computers say it's not on there.

Me: Call the CFC. They exist for reasons just like this.
Him: Well why don't you open up. We can just check.

Me: Do you have a warrant?
Him: No.

Me: Without a warrant, you WILL NOT be entering.
Him: If you have nothing to hide, you should have no problem with us coming to check.

Me: Because I have nothing to hide is exactly why you have no reason to come inside.
Pause

Him: Listen, we have a report dealing with firearms. We're not just going to go away.
Me: That's great, but I'm not opening my door. I have broken no laws. I have done nothing wrong.

Him: Just open the door and show us your certificate, and this will all be over.
Me: I'm not opening the door, but I'd like to help you, so why don't I just read you the certificate number and you can call the CFC and they'll confirm everything is OK.

This little bit of the converstion repeats over and over again. The officer does not want to accept the number, insisting on physically checking the paperwork and storage.

Him: I'm going to note in my report that you are being uncooperative. This won't fare well for you.
Me: I am attempting to assist you, but you are insisting on violating my Charter Rights and illegally entering.

Him: Which Charter Right is that?
Me: Section 6 (I have learned this little misinformation trick from the Police themselves in the past. It is a fine way of testing their knowledge of the situation).

Pause...
Pause... They don't realize that secion 6 doesn't apply, because their knowledge of the Charter is limited. Rookie mistake.

Him: So are you telling me that you are not going to cooperate.
Me: I'm attempting to help you out by giving you the certificate number, which is as good as the certificate itself, but you won't take it.

Him: When my report goes to the CFO and shows you aren't cooperating, it will affect your ability to renew you lisence.
Me: How about I scan a copy of my certificate and email it to your division.

Him: We're not equipped to deal with that. (Are they really so cash strapped that they have no email)
Me: Well then I can't help you.

Him: I know you have the firearm, I need to see the certificate.
Me: I have the certificate, everything is legitamite.

Him: So you admit you have the rifle.
Me: I'm not answering any more of your questions. Without a warrant, you are not entering. I've tried to assist you, but you won't listen.

Him: Good night.
Me: Good night.

This ended the events for the night.

The next day, I contacted the CFOs office and requested that they confirm that the registration certificate was indeed on the system. Not only was it there, it was the first firearm that comes up. I explained the story and she was sympathetic and confirmed that I acted well within my rights and that the officer should have had access to the information from his computer. I told her my concerns about the officers threats that there would be license renewal problems and she reassured me that she would take it up with the boss and make sure that it didn't happen.

Immediately following this converstion, I contacted the Guns and Gangs task force. A representative told me the following:

Currently, the Task Force has engaged in a large scale operation involving the expired PALs of Toronto as well as unregistered firearms. I was not on any such list. She also confirmed that my restricted CZ was on the computer system, but that the CPIC version may not have been updated (Note: The firearms was entered on the system on the 13th, and the incident occurred on the 19th. Can such discrepancies really exist?). She stated that there is no criminal investigation involving me, and that I have appeared to be complying with all regulations. There will be no escalation of this issue to the CFO and I have nothing to worry about."

I know that there are thread currently about searches and speaking with police. The above could fit nicely in either spot. Legal gun owners should know that they can stand up for their rights without fear. I stood up to the task force specifically attempting to confiscate firearms, and survived. They can too. I've preached it several times in those threads, and it holds true:

NO WARRANT, NO ENTRY!!!

Ultimately, the last line of this thread is the one everyone should pay heed to.
You have rights, use them or lose them.


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Old January 15th, 2011, 01:29   #144
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You tube Videos of him with guns.. newly issued PAL.. nothing on the registry...

So... maybe ... the registry did work? ( that took a lot to type)
Sure that sounds like it makes sense... but I wouldn't want, and don't believe it should be right for police or anyone to show up and rip my apartment apart based on photographs or videos on the internet.

There are pictures of me (and video probably) with guns, I don't have a PAL, so I must be an illegal firearm owner and worth being warranted and searched, yes? You're a PAL holder, who also collects Airsoft guns. Someone sees a picture of you with a, I don't know, big ass gun, say a Barret, an Airsoft Barret, but who could tell? Soccer mom sees this picture of you with the pretend gun, calls the cops because her kid learns karate from you, cops check picture and registry and see you don't have a Barret registered and toss your home and place of business... sound fair? Sounds vaguely familiar too... (I don't know if that was true, it was just an example)

It seems to me that [seemingly] logical steps were skipped. Like using words first and freaking out later.
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Old January 15th, 2011, 09:35   #145
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Sure that sounds like it makes sense... but I wouldn't want, and don't believe it should be right for police or anyone to show up and rip my apartment apart based on photographs or videos on the internet.
This part is the problem, the warrant was issued so yes, they can actually do that. It is not justified to do it because of the reason this all began and that is what he needs to adress to have the domino effect going.

The first part of the problem is the employer. Let's just focus on that for now because everything after that came from it.

Let's look at this using the KISS method :

Is it illegal to talk in a room with other people about getting a PAL?

NO.

Is it illegal to be on sick leave and own guns?

NO.

On the other hand what is illegal in this story?

This is where legal councel is needed.

Like it's been said before, getting legal councel is the best alternative and being syndicated is one of it's privileges because it's ''FREE'' but only appliable against your workplace.

That part of your paycheck that gets taken away on every pay, this is one of it's benefits so use it. You have representatives so you dont need to learn all those technical terms.

USE THEM.

People at my job have been in court versus my employer a couple of times in the past because of an ass wipe boss with the caracter to match.

He lost everytime

Just remember that you can bypass your local representative if you feel that he is being condescendent. Some are corrupt so it's a good idea to go higher if he pushes in the wrong direction.

You are paying to the central, not to him, so your rights have to be enforced.

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Old January 15th, 2011, 11:43   #146
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Old January 15th, 2011, 16:43   #147
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Hmm I wonder if there are any hunters on the hospital staff, I can see it now:
Employee: Boss, while wasting the taxe payers money on the Internet, I saw a video of Robert on Youtube, he killed bamby with a gun and then (sobing) he used a big knife to cut his belly open and then he cut the head off and put it on his truck. He was smiling too!
Boss: Good god women, the guy's a maniac, we cant have a blood crazy killer roaming the hospital, what will happen if someone bleeds in front of him, he will cut their head off!
Employee: Save us Boss, save us!
Boss: Dont worry, Superboss is here (removes his glasses), let me call the chief of police.
Chief of police: Hey John, are you calling me about your wife beating you again? What? One of your employees is killing people and hes not a doctor! Don't worry, the SWAT team is almost finished playing COD, I will send them right after their coffee break!

You know the rest of the story

Sorry Sim, I hope the situation resolves itself without you doing anything about it, after all your boss and colleagues seem like reasonable people.
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Old January 15th, 2011, 18:12   #148
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I took a while to get involved in this because I have a similar case on the table, minus the airsoft guns.

What happened here is you got pissed on, without even the courtesy of having it called rain.

Your union rep will be able to help you. I'm glad you're onboard with this already.

As for legal advice, call up the Barreau de Montréal (http://www.barreaudemontreal.qc.ca/). Ask for a referal for a lawyer that deals in "relations de travail" and that would be willing to work per commission. Usual rates from what I've gathered are 5% to 10%.

Before you sit down with a lawyer, put on paper any and all damages you have been dealt by this. Lost wages, medical costs and whatever. Also write down the timeline of all that happened. Note down every little detail, even those you might have omitted here.

The first consult with a lawyer on the island of Montreal is 30$ for 30 minutes. This is why you want to be organised. Ask about your options and make a plan.

Unless there is a specific reason to stay, I'd change jobs. One of the things you might be able to negociate in a severance package is a referal to another hospital. Set specific demands as far as wages, job type, hours are concerned.

Finally, take stock of what happened and remember to keep certain hobbies on the down low.

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Old January 15th, 2011, 18:21   #149
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Thank you. Great advices. I already have the number of "Le barreau du Québec". I decided to pull back a little this weekend and try to change my mind a little bit. Also I have a reunion with my union rep monday just before we go to the other "reunion" with the hospital admnisitrator. I already have in mind what I lost up to date (Integrity, reputation, physical and mental healt, a 2000$ good, my right to have a PAL etc.). Sure I can probably get my M14 back, but until it is in front of my eyes I decided to count it as a lost. I can't trust completly the system about "having it the next week". But I'll decide everything with the monday reunion. I already have the "I'm actualy looking for a lawer to sue to get compensation" card and argument since it's true anyway. I'll keep you guys informed!
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odd question somewhat on topic for the community, if any legal action goes through will it neccessarily count as precedince for the rest of the country, i seem to recall that quebec was operating under civil law while the rest of the country operated under what is essentially british commonlaw

just curious

and to Sim, good luck getting your gun back mate, it really sucks how you got treated, you are taking it far more calmy than i would. Im just lucky people at my work know im an airsoft nut, and enough of them are intrigued about starting up, or have played in the past that i dont have to worry about talkin about it on break at work, or any of them calling the cops on me.
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