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Old October 1st, 2010, 05:43   #1
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the 8mm bb.

so I am curiouse.... And bored.... But more so the prior.


I am wondering why the 8mm bb? What's the purpose/reason this beast exists. Is there any true benefit. And what would make a manufacturer go to a 8mm bb instead of the widley available 6mm. From what I can tell with a few exceptions it seems to be maruzin that like the 8mm.

can anyone shed any light on this?

btw I firmly believe that 50 cal weapons should fire golfball sized bbs lol. Just not at me
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Old October 1st, 2010, 07:32   #2
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They have heavier weights for one. .36 and .43 are the basic weights.

So I dunno if the size per se helps but the additional weight does.

I've seen an 8mm revolver punch through heavy shipping cardboard (the kind they use for furniture) that an AEG was getting stuck in.
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Old October 1st, 2010, 08:50   #3
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They have heavier weights for one. .36 and .43 are the basic weights.

So I dunno if the size per se helps but the additional weight does.

I've seen an 8mm revolver punch through heavy shipping cardboard (the kind they use for furniture) that an AEG was getting stuck in.
Actually the weights are 0.34g and 0.46g from what I recall.
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Old October 1st, 2010, 09:10   #4
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I've heard that in Russia they use the 8 mil and call airsoft 'Hard Ball.' I can't substantiate this, unfortunately.
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Old October 1st, 2010, 09:32   #5
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I've heard that in Russia they use the 8 mil and call airsoft 'Hard Ball.' I can't substantiate this, unfortunately.
Hardball is shooting 4.5 lead or copper pellets at 500+ fps (from often home made airguns built into real AK's etc). There effective range is 300 - 400 feet and they play in abandoned buildings where they can shoot through the drywall to hit each other. Very dangerous game with high protection requirements.
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Old October 1st, 2010, 10:12   #6
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I've heard that in Russia they use the 8 mil and call airsoft 'Hard Ball.' I can't substantiate this, unfortunately.
in soviet russia, Hardball airsofts you!

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Hardball is shooting 4.5 lead or copper pellets at 500+ fps (from often home made airguns built into real AK's etc). There effective range is 300 - 400 feet and they play in abandoned buildings where they can shoot through the drywall to hit each other. Very dangerous game with high protection requirements.
ok that sounds a little insane.
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Old October 1st, 2010, 10:24   #7
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8mm hurt like a son of a bitch in CQB...even with the lightest BBs. I probably still have a tri-welt on my ass from SAFX's shotty.

I'd love to see an AS game setup where FPS/BB weights were relagated to more reflect RS. I think it'd bring on a much different game dynamic.

I think Rifles should have a distinct range/accuracy advantage over SMGs....battle/assault rifles should have a distinct difference from carbines...I think 7.62 calibers should be differentiated in range/accuracy vs. smaller calibers. The RS benefits of AM/sniper rifles should be better reflected vs. other types of weapons.

i.e.
- pistols/SMG's/shottys (pistol caliber, short range) have to shoot max 300 and use 0.20's
- Carbines/SAW (5.56, PDW rounds) have to shoot max 400 and can use up to 0.25's
- Assault rifles (full size 5.56, 7.62) have to shoot max 450 and must use 0.30's
- LMG/MG's (7.62)....same as SAW but must use 0.30's...
- Sniper rifles (7.62/338) have to shoot max 500fps and must use 0.30+...or 8mm...vetted persons only
- Big bore AM rifles (i.e. 338/50cal) shoot max 550 and must use .40+...or 8mm...vetted persons only

It's always been a pet peeve of mine that basically every AEG/AS rifle out there can/are run essentially as SAWs....that short CQB weapons can/are used as field rifles...that the upsides of a "precision" rifle are overshadowed by the AEG vs. single shot discrepancy. It really washes it all with a coating of fakeness...but I don't think it needs to be that way.

Reality being....I doubt the masses of players are going to "compromise" their weapons performance by tuning it down or using light BBs. There might be a surge of SAW/LMG/sniper rifles....but that can be controlled by the game side.

Oh...and it'd all be real cap

So it may never happen...but I think it'd be cool.
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Old October 1st, 2010, 10:29   #8
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8mm hurt like a son of a bitch in CQB...even with the lightest BBs. I probably still have a tri-welt on my ass from SAFX's shotty.

I'd love to see an AS game setup where FPS/BB weights were relagated to more reflect RS. I think it'd bring on a much different game dynamic.

I think Rifles should have a distinct range/accuracy advantage over SMGs....battle/assault rifles should have a distinct difference from carbines...I think 7.62 calibers should be differentiated in range/accuracy vs. smaller calibers. The RS benefits of AM/sniper rifles should be better reflected vs. other types of weapons.

i.e.
- pistols/SMG's/shottys (pistol caliber, short range) have to shoot max 300 and use 0.20's
- Carbines/SAW (5.56, PDW rounds) have to shoot max 400 and can use up to 0.25's
- Assault rifles (full size 5.56, 7.62) have to shoot max 450 and must use 0.30's
- LMG/MG's (7.62)....same as SAW but must use 0.30's...
- Sniper rifles (7.62/338) have to shoot max 500fps and must use 0.30+...or 8mm...vetted persons only
- Big bore AM rifles (i.e. 338/50cal) shoot max 550 and must use .40+...or 8mm...vetted persons only

It's always been a pet peeve of mine that basically every AEG/AS rifle out there can/are run essentially as SAWs....that short CQB weapons can/are used as field rifles...that the upsides of a "precision" rifle are overshadowed by the AEG vs. single shot discrepancy. It really washes it all with a coating of fakeness...but I don't think it needs to be that way.

Reality being....I doubt the masses of players are going to "compromise" their weapons performance by tuning it down or using light BBs. There might be a surge of SAW/LMG/sniper rifles....but that can be controlled by the game side.

Oh...and it'd all be real cap

So it may never happen...but I think it'd be cool.
It scares me that me and you think alike lol. I actually refuse to put a tight bore in my AK47 for that simple fact. AN AK47 IS NOT A LASER GUN! The inconsistency makes it more of a challenge. Also playing with the taped together 30 rnd real caps as well.

As for the range thing I agree again. Its annoying when a certain someones m9 can get the same range as my ak or scar and is more accurate, Plus way more maneuverable. Its like making a FPS and using the same numbers for all the skins of guns. WTF is the point.

Edit: I wonder if they make a loose bore barrel... hmm. 6.5 anyone? lol
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Old October 1st, 2010, 10:41   #9
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LOL...6.5mm...it'd be like a black powder Brown Bess musket!

I don't think it's practical to do the FPS/BB weight rules with the general populace (or at least enough people to put together a decent sized game).

I purposely kept my last SAW "rough"...I did bump the velocity a bit and just adjusted the hopup so-so. It was so much fun to use since there were so many flyers and I could lay down a pattern of fire but it'd be sort of random luck to actually aim and hit someone with 1-2BBs...but if you suppressed an area it was magic. The other SAW in the squad was basically a high-speed minigun lazer....absolutely deadly...but not the same.
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Old October 1st, 2010, 13:45   #10
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I would love it if airsoft followed those guidelines. It'd be a way more dynamic game, and there'd be an actual technical reason behind my continued purchase of long guns! (Aside from them being badass)
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Old October 1st, 2010, 14:00   #11
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Old October 1st, 2010, 14:35   #12
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I've seem a vid of paintball in Russia where weapon types are tuned to reflect their RS counter types. So for example sniper type markers are allowed to shoot at 600+ fps. I dont know if you can actually hit anything with a pb traveling that fast but they allow it.
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Old October 1st, 2010, 15:00   #13
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Hardball is shooting 4.5 lead or copper pellets at 500+ fps (from often home made airguns built into real AK's etc). There effective range is 300 - 400 feet and they play in abandoned buildings where they can shoot through the drywall to hit each other. Very dangerous game with high protection requirements.
Oh, Russia. Why does that not surprise me?
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Old October 1st, 2010, 15:42   #14
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What are the safety requirements in Russia?
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I'm waiting for the 11mm bb.
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