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Old September 3rd, 2010, 04:58   #1
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are co2 pellet guns considered airsoft? or airgun?

It seems like not many ppl here play with pellet pistol eh? Also it looks like many ppl play with AEG here.

i have some questions(myths), please correct me:

I am a total noob, but I like guns a lot.. I bought some .177 pellet pistols coz i thought the BBs are not accurate coz their smooth barrels?

BB guns from spec seem to have faster fps than most pellet guns? are they really faster and powerful?

thus they have longer shooting range?

Now i want to buy some bb guns.. because..

one is that they look real than pellet guns.. coz pellet guns dont slide n stuff.. and mag looks real in bb guns.

two is pressure inside of the co2 drops so fast so after few shots the pellet starts losing power.

I also found manufacture specs are not reliable !!

I have a co2 .177 pellet pistol which has higher fps rating than the other one, but the result is the other way around.. the lower rating one sounds more powerful and shoots pellet farther and the pellets penetrating power is higher too!!

so now if I want a bb gun which has a higher fps rating.. i dont know if i can trust the spec anymore...

Some pistols fires both bb and pellet.. are they any good?

I know I have asked a lot questions.. if their too stupid for you, I apologize.

Thanks a lot

Anthony

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Old September 3rd, 2010, 05:33   #2
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This sounds like BB guns and pellet guns, and really doesn't have much to do with airsoft. Airsoft fires a 6mm BB which won't work in any of the guns you have.

c02 can be used in airsoft, paintball, or pellet shooting. It doesn't determine what it is.
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Old September 3rd, 2010, 05:58   #3
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Airgun metal BB's are not airsoft plastic BB's.

TOTALLY different. We DO NOT shoot airguns at each other.
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Old September 3rd, 2010, 07:02   #4
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uhmm.. looks like I am totally in a wrong place.. as this is "AIRSOFT" canada....
so I assume the guns you guys have and all the buy and sell and all the discussions going on here are all about 6mm plastic BBs? All the TM and other brands mentioned here use 6mm plastic BBs?
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Old September 3rd, 2010, 07:06   #5
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It is illegal to point a .177 bb gun and/or pellet guns at a live human here (either ontario law of just kingston bylaw, not sure)

THEY CANNOT BE USED IN AIRSOFT GAMES as they CAN kill people depending on where they hit and they WILL do damage if they hit somebody.
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Old September 3rd, 2010, 11:00   #6
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You cannot use the gun you have in activities involving shooting people, they are not safe.

If you wanted to join airsoft games, consider returning the gun you have or selling it at the above forum, then getting a proper AS gun.
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Old September 3rd, 2010, 11:06   #7
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so I assume the guns you guys have and all the buy and sell and all the discussions going on here are all about 6mm plastic BBs? All the TM and other brands mentioned here use 6mm plastic BBs?
yep, plastic. no metal.

hurts a fair bit less
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Old September 3rd, 2010, 11:20   #8
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Yep go to where surebet posted for more specific information relating to exactly what you're searching for.

It doesn't mean that you can't do both (I sometimes do). It's actually quite fun to buy a .177 and just plink pop cans or paper targets. However I would never dream of even bringing a .177 even remotely close to an airsoft/paintball field.

If you don't want the "FPS drop" that running out of CO2 gives you, you could always go with a compressed air pellet gun, something as simple as a cheap $120 one from Canadian tire. Hell for $50 you could even get a Daisy that you cock the pistol grip (or some other lever) and it compresses the air http://www.dlairgun.com/Daisy-Air-Rifles.html

OR if you're serious about target shooting check these ones out: http://www.targetshootingproducts.co...6ce23c795e592c
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Old September 4th, 2010, 06:14   #9
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thanks a lot for all the info guys!!

Generally speaking, bb guns are less accurate than pellet guns right? If lets say within 10 meters.. do they make a difference?

I aint no olympic shooter, but thats pretty much what I do with my pellet guns -- target shooting within 10 meters(my backyard)
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Pellet and BB guns will be more accurate than airsoft guns.

If have specific airgun questions, http://www.airgunforum.ca/ would be best
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Old September 4th, 2010, 12:36   #11
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BB guns and pellet guns are far more accurate and powerful than airsoft guns. What you fail to take into account when looking at "specs" is simple physics. An airsoft gun may fire a projectile at a slightly higher velocity than a bb/pellet gun, but the projectile from a bb/pellet gun has MUCH more mass than an airsoft BB.

A typical airsoft bb weight 0.20 grams. A typical .177 airgun pellet/bb weighs about 0.65 grams. That's three times as much mass. Force = mass X accelleration....you do the math.

Airsoft guns have less range, less accuracy, and less impact energy.

And to answer your other question - BB guns (like a Daisy Red Ryder - Don't shoot your eye out! - generally have unrifled (smoothbore) barrels, while pellet guns (especially those designed for small game hunting and sport shooting) generally have rifled barrels. Pellet guns will be more accurate, generally speaking.
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A typical airsoft bb weight 0.20 grams. A typical .177 airgun pellet/bb weighs about 0.65 grams. That's three times as much mass. Force = mass X accelleration....you do the math.

Airsoft guns have less range, less accuracy, and less impact energy.
To add, it's all about momentum. The pellet gun will have more momentum and therefore will be less likely to deviate. For example take a Smart car vs a semi trailer. Sure they may both go 50 Km/h but which is easier to stop? turn? get moving? The smart car obviously, but why? A semi trailer has a lot more mass and as such it takes more force (in an opposite direction) to slow down, start moving, turn etc.

Take that to a BB, between .20 g and .65 g the mass like Skruface said is 3x as much so you need 3x the force to get it to do something. You want it to keep straight? Well the ambient air and wind direction will affect the pellet and BB but the pellet will be affected less because it requires more force to make it deviate.

As for which is more accurate, the .177 match pellets (AKA "Wadcutters") I believe are the most accurate with the super point being the ones that offer the most penetration (ie. for pest control or w/e you want to do with it).

With metal BB's (AKA "Bullet Balls") they are just that, balls and shot through a smoothbore barrel meaning they don't get spin to keep it stable in air and as such may be slightly more affected by crosswind and other ambient factors (but still less affected than the 6mm airsoft we use which range in weights from .20 to .36+ g with .25 or .28 being most common).

EDIT: Sorry stryak, didn't know what I was thinking there, it must be an Asian thing or something (maybe a "big city" thing?) because I swear that I grew up with g and gr meaning the same thing and they can be used interchangeably. BUT now thinking about it, real steel shooters use grains as a standard measurement so yeah....
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Don't get him confused between gr (grains) and g (grams) now.
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Old September 4th, 2010, 20:55   #14
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Don't get him confused between gr (grains) and g (grams) now.
I did the conversion in my original post. A .177 cal pellet runs between 7 and 10 grains.
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Old September 5th, 2010, 17:55   #15
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It is illegal to point a .177 bb gun and/or pellet guns at a live human here
Who in the right mind who want to shoot a dead human with a BB gun?
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