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Old August 31st, 2010, 19:56   #31
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This is actually the first time I've ever seen someone that has major issues with a certain type of BB from their gun, hence there being so many religious Bastards out there (I'm a 'Test Bastard BTW). I'd LOVE to know the reason behind your poor performance if it's ever found out, be one for the record books I'm sure, more because of the nature of your gun than anything else, sounds like something that can't be figured out without extensive studies.
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Old August 31st, 2010, 22:14   #32
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I've run the Metal Techs since I got in the front door and always been very happy with them. You'll find they have a very solid following out here as the guys who supply them are well in mix and take good care of BC Players.

When I was in a tight spot I had to get a bag of Matrix that are supposed to be awful for jamming and consistency and they worked OK Lately I've been on the BBBs and those have been working for me too in a variety of AEG/GBB formats.

I'm not at the laser boresight level of setup but I do like to shoot semi and hit what I'm aiming at from the first go.

What about Postil or Kamloops games Z-69, are you hitting those up?
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Old September 1st, 2010, 00:26   #33
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I've run the Metal Techs since I got in the front door and always been very happy with them. You'll find they have a very solid following out here as the guys who supply them are well in mix and take good care of BC Players.

When I was in a tight spot I had to get a bag of Matrix that are supposed to be awful for jamming and consistency and they worked OK Lately I've been on the BBBs and those have been working for me too in a variety of AEG/GBB formats.

I'm not at the laser boresight level of setup but I do like to shoot semi and hit what I'm aiming at from the first go.

What about Postil or Kamloops games Z-69, are you hitting those up?

Im really not posting this to promote or be slanderous to anybody's product's Im just telling my personal experience.

I started out useing Matrix BB's unfortunately, I had no jam's but the grouping's suck being all over the place. But I gess they would be fine for CQC if they dont jam up your setup.

I was useing a 3x9 scope at the time of my BB testing but now I use a lazer sight for test target shooting.

I have not been able to attend any game's this year do to having other summer fun stuff to do, but it has not stoped me from a little Paper target shooting out in the wood's now and again.

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Old September 1st, 2010, 01:38   #34
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Well if we're in the same place this season I'll swap you a mag so you can see if the bad ones you had were a flawed batch.
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Old September 1st, 2010, 01:39   #35
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Wrt to your question, no, BBB diameters are generally higher, not lower.

Based on your description i think its a hop up or barrel issue, perhaps crowning. Unless you bench the gun, it's hard to compare from shot to shot just where the variations originate from. Grouping is also distance sensitive,and this is a part people really don't fully understand. A grouping by it's nature is a convergence, and the convergence happens at one point in distance. If the BBs are compared at the same distances with a set distance and hopup setup, it's possible to get misleading results. You may set the test up and at a particular distance and hop up, grouping works really well for one product and sucks for another, but, if you reset the test 10 feet forward or backwards of the target, all of a sudden the grouping is better, or vice-versa.

Like I said, I don't consider the feedback "slander"' your just characterizing your experience. I am just trying to quantify the differences, because grouping can be very subjective, as its a function of distance, barrel and hop up. And as I said, your experience differs from mine, so my interest is in what conditions lead to your conclusions, when its different from mine and others. It's how I learn and improve not just my product, but my advice to people.
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I had a brand new UMG jam on me once last week. I was using Golden Balls. Today I put in an order for BBBs.

btw Can I buy them locally in Toronto anywhere?
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I had a brand new UMG jam on me once last week. I was using Golden Balls. Today I put in an order for BBBs.

btw Can I buy them locally in Toronto anywhere?
Army Issue, Huang, and shortly, Techseller. Closest location depend on your address.
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Old September 1st, 2010, 02:03   #38
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Army Issue, Huang, and shortly, Techseller. Closest location depend on your address.
Thanks. I'm downtown so Huang and Army Issue are kinda far. Where is Techseller?
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Wrt to your question, no, BBB diameters are generally higher, not lower.

Based on your description i think its a hop up or barrel issue, perhaps crowning. Unless you bench the gun, it's hard to compare from shot to shot just where the variations originate from. Grouping is also distance sensitive,and this is a part people really don't fully understand. A grouping by it's nature is a convergence, and the convergence happens at one point in distance. If the BBs are compared at the same distances with a set distance and hopup setup, it's possible to get misleading results. You may set the test up and at a particular distance and hop up, grouping works really well for one product and sucks for another, but, if you reset the test 10 feet forward or backwards of the target, all of a sudden the grouping is better, or vice-versa.

Like I said, I don't consider the feedback "slander"' your just characterizing your experience. I am just trying to quantify the differences, because grouping can be very subjective, as its a function of distance, barrel and hop up. And as I said, your experience differs from mine, so my interest is in what conditions lead to your conclusions, when its different from mine and others. It's how I learn and improve not just my product, but my advice to people.
So what you just posted makes sence. I had the hop-up set for useing the Bastart BB's but when I Switched to the AE/MT BB's the hop-up setting was not changed but it was a better setting for the AE/MT BB's so better grouping's at a greater distance and giving me misleading results.

And if I moved ten feet forward with the hop-up at that setting useing the BBB's I beleave the grouping's would have been better.

I know the hop-up can be sensitive I spend about a 100 BB's setting it up.

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