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Old March 21st, 2010, 20:19   #16
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A nice balanced equation is all pretty, but if insufficient oxygen is available then incomplete combustion can occur.

Also, if i burned 1 mol of propane in the presence of 5 mol of oxygen gas. I can bet that 100% of the time I would not get a 100% reaction. That's why its called a theoretical reaction. Propane combustion in free atmospheres usually have massive deviation from theoretical.
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Old January 20th, 2011, 18:06   #17
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I know this is an old thread, but still in the newbie group. But my concern is that everyone talks about the propane from a mag is barely harmful etc. But I see people indoor target shooting, cleaning testing etc.. multiple mags in the same enclosed areas. I've even heard of people who say in one session they went through 1 or 2 cans of green gas. So would you want to release all the gas from a whole can of green gas in a room and hang out there breathing it?

Personally I do a lot of indoor shooting and I am concerned about the regular breathing of it. Was wondering if for indoor use Duster Gas would be any safer? its not like you need the FPS for indoor plinking, testing cleaning, both are chemicals but which are safer to breath?
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Old January 20th, 2011, 18:43   #18
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Probably just as dangerous since there's the problem of duster abuse. I'm not joking you can get high off that stuff. It was actually so bad that they had to start introducing bitterants (to stop inhalant abuse) into the duster gas cans and people under 18 are barred from buying duster gas in some places.

If you have HVAC then you're probably good..... Even then, if you don't have an HVAC system then just setup a fan or something and open a window to introduce the flow of fresh air. Granted wintertime might be a problem (with it being so cold and energy wastage from heating) but for fall/spring/summer it should be fine. If doing it in winter I would say keep the door open and setup a fan to circulate the gaseous propane around the house and dissipate it (NB: This is assuming you don't have pets/children, not sure how it would affect them to be exposed to these kinds of chemicals on a semi regular basis).
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Old January 20th, 2011, 18:45   #19
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I know this is an old thread, but still in the newbie group. But my concern is that everyone talks about the propane from a mag is barely harmful etc. But I see people indoor target shooting, cleaning testing etc.. multiple mags in the same enclosed areas. I've even heard of people who say in one session they went through 1 or 2 cans of green gas. So would you want to release all the gas from a whole can of green gas in a room and hang out there breathing it?

Personally I do a lot of indoor shooting and I am concerned about the regular breathing of it. Was wondering if for indoor use Duster Gas would be any safer? its not like you need the FPS for indoor plinking, testing cleaning, both are chemicals but which are safer to breath?
Well let me give you the lecture I received in Intro university Organic Chemistry.

One should not inhale large quantity of short hydrocarbon chain. The really bad ones are propane and butane. as for CFC, it's not the best for you, and it does sink to the bottom like propane because the gas is densier than air.

Normal are gas like CO2 (O2, N2, are lighter) for example is around 34.01g/mol. Propane is bad because it sinks (44.11g/mol) to the bottom and it's explosive. HFC134a aka 1,1,2,2 Tetrafluroethane is 102.03 g/mol.
I'm not sure the exact effect inhaling 134a, large inhalation is also not recommanded especially sniffing from the canister to get high.

In summary, neither is good for you. Propane is bad because its explosive and the scent they added contains sulfur (also bad for you)

If you want to shoot indoor consider getting an external adapter and run HPA or CO2.
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Old January 20th, 2011, 18:53   #20
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If propane is a problem, your friend can always change to CO2 mags if your rifle is compatible.
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Old January 20th, 2011, 19:21   #21
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Old January 21st, 2011, 12:44   #22
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If you want to shoot indoor consider getting an external adapter and run HPA or CO2.
That sounds like a great suggestion. Co2 would be the safest. Is there an external adapter that works for all mags, has anyone had any experience with it? Recommenations? I would then assume you would just hook it to a CO2 tank like for Paintball?

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Old January 21st, 2011, 13:08   #23
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That sounds like a great suggestion. Co2 would be the safest. Is there an external adapter that works for all mags, has anyone had any experience with it? Recommenations? I would then assume you would just hook it to a CO2 tank like for Paintball?
HPA is actually safer and cheaper in the long run!!
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Old January 21st, 2011, 17:08   #24
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Hello all, so I've found the CO2 Mag Adapter Kit from RA-Tech
http://www.ratech.com.tw/store/produ...?id_product=33

So I understand that the one end will screw into my WE Mag, then if I wanted to run CO2 - would the other end just screw into a standard paintball CO2 Canister? Is there a valve to regulate the pressure, like on the madbull grenade chargers?

If you are testing/cleaning target shooting indoors, this could be a safer solution and a 3 meter cable would be just fine considering you are in an enclosed area.

I've looked for more info, but having trouble finding how it all works, I also have no experience with paintball equipment.
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Old January 21st, 2011, 17:29   #25
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You'll need an in-line regular built in to the rig somewhere...
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Old January 23rd, 2011, 15:35   #26
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you can get a stabilizer attached to the tank itself before it runs through the line.
just curious, is that a 1/8 npt nipple at the end?
http://www.ratech.com.tw/store/produ...?id_product=33
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