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Old March 9th, 2015, 20:13   #1
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This Insurance Company Must Be Hitting The Crack Pipe Hard

I'm looking to open a field and was checking for insurance when I came across an application that said this for the rules and regulations.

1. Outdoor air-soft velocity not to exceed 350 ft/s which allows for a .20 to .22 BB (1 to 1.5 joule)
2. Indoor air-soft velocity not to exceed 285 to 300 ft/s. which allows for a .20 BB (1 joule)
3. Keeping in mind the velocity of no higher then 350 ft/s for outdoor and 300 ft/s for indoor, regulation
goggles, including balaclava or full face masks must be worn at all times while in the gaming area.
4. Preference is for all players to use only facility approved and owned air-soft guns and pellets. In the
event participants are allowed to use their own guns (clear plastic only, Air guns that are firearms for purposes
of both the Firearms Act and the Criminal Code are prohibited) the facility must check all non owned air-soft
guns to assure that they adhere to the velocity restrictions and are not rigged with larger springs, to obtain
higher velocities. Only approved pellets supplied by the facility will be allowed.
5. Absolute Minimum age to play is 16 and any player 16 or 17 years of age must have a parent or legal
guardian present. All players must present valid ID. Photo portion and Date of Birth required.
6. Waivers must be signed by all participants and if under 18 must also be signed by a parent or legal
We must have written confirmation from the insured, that these rules and regulations will be part of their AirSoft

So Indoor at 300fps, and Clearsoft Guns only what kind of whack is this?

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Old March 9th, 2015, 20:28   #2
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They just make this stuff up on the fly.

Vérificateur d'âge: Terrebonne
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Old March 9th, 2015, 21:18   #3
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They've probably never heard of airsoft before, skimmed a few government laws and came up with that.
Although odd that they would go 350fps since according to some idiots it's illegal to use a sub-366fps airsoft gun in country lol
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Old March 9th, 2015, 22:47   #4
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The velocities would make sense for paintball but that's weird.... They include joule ratings too unless that's your math that you added. See if you can talk to the underwriter again and make mention that the standard industry practice for paintball includes higher muzzle energies which is what the math/physics should be based on.

Take a standard .68 cal paintball which based on the MCarterBrown webpage here weights 3.0 grams. At 290 FPS and 3.0 grams you're getting energies of 11 JOULES (which does dissipate some when the ball breaks). But it still stands, 1.6 Joules is more or less a decent outdoor field limit. I'd say for indoor 1.2 Joules (360 FPS on .20's) is a good limit if you can swing it by the underwriter, if it'll lower your premiums to go down to 1.0 Joules (330 on .20's like in Japan) you should consider it, and for outdoor 1.5 Joules (~400 FPS on .20's) is more or less standard outside of Alberta.

It's honestly all about the risk the underwriter and actuary is willing to take on you and decides to go forward or not. Do you have previous experience running something similar (say 5 years experience as a manager of a laser tag arena) or are you "some random" that they want to scare off with the premiums?
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Old March 10th, 2015, 09:38   #5
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Originally Posted by ThunderCactus View Post
...according to some idiots it's illegal to use a sub-366fps airsoft gun in country lol
Clearsoft no problem, otherwise yeah unfortunately it's not kosher.
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