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Old October 5th, 2013, 18:51   #1
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Newer player looking into GBBRs

We'll I've only been at this hobby awhile and I've ended up with a VFC Scar H , G&G mp5 and a Cyma ak-47, which are all AEGs. Most recently I bought a KWA Mp7 and I honestly don't think I can continue on with AEGs other than being a back up. I'm fairly confident that I would love the whole mil sim scene and I am looking for a great M4 to go along with it.

So far I've been looking at the WE m4, KWA lm4 (magpul edition) and I've only seen a few things on King arms but it seems like they are the only ones with trades. From reading and watching a few videos / articles It seems that the KWA m4 is very user friendly as things are already upgraded and is ready to go out of the box. The WE m4 needs a metal trigger assembly right from the start and it geared more towards the people that want to upgrade and fiddle with things along the way. Again, I havent seen much on King arms.

Now, Obviously price is always an issue so I wont be buying it right away but I feel after winter would be a great present for myself ( since I work in the cold on a roof I feel i deserve something ) and that gas doesnt really work in the snow too well.

I've heard something of a VFC GBB M4 which sounds nice but I am scared of VFC since my scar just never seemed right from the start. The problem with youtube and google is that you always here the person say " I love this gun! I just got it today". Im looking for people that have these guns and can tell me in the long term how they hold up with and without maintaining them like crazy ( not that I wont maintain but just for thought ) what will happen to them.

Any information on these things would be VERY appreciated.
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Old October 5th, 2013, 19:52   #2
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Old October 5th, 2013, 19:57   #3
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as much as I shit on them, for me I've had the best luck buying the WE rifles and then just putting parts into it, the hopup system is a proven one, and parts are cheap, VFC GBBRs for the most part are crap, alot of people like GHK but personally I think they are overpriced for the level of build quality that they are, KWA rifles, I would bet the internals will be pretty solid, but KWA hopup will always lose to TM vsr10 (WE openbolt) hopup design in terms of accuracy and consistency
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Old October 5th, 2013, 20:28   #4
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We'll I've only been at this hobby awhile and I've ended up with a VFC Scar H , G&G mp5 and a Cyma ak-47, which are all AEGs. Most recently I bought a KWA Mp7 and I honestly don't think I can continue on with AEGs other than being a back up. I'm fairly confident that I would love the whole mil sim scene and I am looking for a great M4 to go along with it.

So far I've been looking at the WE m4, KWA lm4 (magpul edition) and I've only seen a few things on King arms but it seems like they are the only ones with trades. From reading and watching a few videos / articles It seems that the KWA m4 is very user friendly as things are already upgraded and is ready to go out of the box. The WE m4 needs a metal trigger assembly right from the start and it geared more towards the people that want to upgrade and fiddle with things along the way. Again, I havent seen much on King arms.

Now, Obviously price is always an issue so I wont be buying it right away but I feel after winter would be a great present for myself ( since I work in the cold on a roof I feel i deserve something ) and that gas doesnt really work in the snow too well.

I've heard something of a VFC GBB M4 which sounds nice but I am scared of VFC since my scar just never seemed right from the start. The problem with youtube and google is that you always here the person say " I love this gun! I just got it today". Im looking for people that have these guns and can tell me in the long term how they hold up with and without maintaining them like crazy ( not that I wont maintain but just for thought ) what will happen to them.

Any information on these things would be VERY appreciated.
Contrairy to what people seem to think, you DON'T need an upgraded trigger kit right from the start in WE rifles*.

It WILL break eventually. That said, I ran my WE rifles for 2 years before having to swap trigger parts. As soon as it got "new" trigger parts (bought a bunch from someone who "upgraded" everything right from the start), it came back to perfect (because the trigger was worn a bit, it would burst in semi some times).

Really, there is no point in upgrading anything until it break.
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Old October 5th, 2013, 20:43   #5
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I'm just really excited to get a nice m4 gbb. If it turns out that the WE is the best one to grab, which seems like 90% of the stuff ive read. I'll be picking that up before winter even starts. Even though with the WE, it doesnt come with a rail system or anything . Is there any newer m4s coming out soon that I should wait for before making this decision?

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Old October 5th, 2013, 20:50   #6
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if M4 is your poison, I'd say grab the WE, maybe get a nineball or a modify hopup for it, as often Ive found WE hopup rubbers swollen out of the box, and prepare to buy the full RAtech trigger box down the road, because it WILL wear out
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Old October 5th, 2013, 20:53   #7
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Yeah thats what i've read in a couple different reviews. Here is my problem though. I'm new so I know what companies are decent and what not. But I still think the more expensive something is , the better its going to be. So when I walk into a store if its not the most expensive thing ill just dismiss it. I'm a hobby stores wet dream to be completely honest lol. But seriously I have no idea about 99% of things. Im trying to change that but its a slow process.


Btw can I post links here of what I've been looking at ?
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Old October 5th, 2013, 20:55   #8
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I'm just really excited to get a nice m4 gbb. If it turns out that the WE is the best one to grab, which seems like 90% of the stuff ive read. I'll be picking that up before winter even starts. Even though with the WE, it doesnt come with a rail system or anything . Is there any newer m4s coming out soon that I should wait for before making this decision?
I don't know what you mean by "no rail system".

You can get the M4RIS or HK416, both have rail systems on.
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Old October 5th, 2013, 20:57   #9
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Jesus I cant think of the name for it now ... Where the fore grip goes.

Either way thats a minor problem. Am I able to link guns that I was looking at or should that be in the age restricted area ?

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Old October 6th, 2013, 10:32   #10
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Jesus I cant think of the name for it now ... Where the fore grip goes.

Either way thats a minor problem. Am I able to link guns that I was looking at or should that be in the age restricted area ?
You can link pictures, yes.

M4 RIS


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Old October 6th, 2013, 11:04   #11
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I like the king arms m4. Based on the western arms system, there are tons of parts available.
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Old October 6th, 2013, 17:57   #12
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get vfc mp5 awesone gbb

I have 2 MP5s and it shoot nice and sound great, I only collect gbb since AEG sucks
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Old October 6th, 2013, 17:59   #13
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No one talked about the KJW ehh ! Not a lot of upgrades available, for the simple reason it doesn't need any. People complained about the Canadian looking magazine (Thermold) but there is a stanag version now available. Just throw a velocity reducer from Cradle and it's good to go, I've beaten mine and beaten again and it still works awesome !! Some mags need some work now, after 3-4 years of abuse and no propper lube and care
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Old October 6th, 2013, 21:06   #14
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I bought a WE (open bolt) M4 just over 11 months ago and so far I have had no issues with it. I did have to install an NPAS because it was shooting way over 400 fps out of the box.
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Old October 6th, 2013, 22:16   #15
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KJW never came up in anything I watched or read. Im looking at one of the retailers and I see this WETTI M4A1 ? Whats the TTI stand for ? Its an open bolt system which seems to be the superior to the closed bolt systems. Also, this one is only shooting 380 fps with .20s . seems low. I am looking at the kjw version 2 m4 and it looks pretty sweet. But again, why is it so much cheaper than the WE or the KWA? I like the idea of being able to change out anything and everything at anytime with the WE but even from this thread of heard of a few problems right from the start. The kJw also shoots 400+ which I would like and a thermold style mag. Though, Id wrap my mags in insulation tape if i had to. I want a rifle that I can pick up and play with and not notice any wobble or accuracy problems. Sounding like the KWA is going to be what I need. Im clearly not decided at all but if you guys can sway my decision , that would be a great thing for me. Main thing though is the wobble. I cant stand it and I wont have it.

Is there any other companies that we're leaving out in terms of quality m4's ?

- KWA
- KJW
- WE / WETTI
- VFC
- King arms

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