Fake Bullets?

ProbeJax · November 26th, 2007, 17:59

I don't understand, why do they change the color and make it two tone?

digital_blue · November 26th, 2007, 18:19

Read around, The 5.7 is illegal. I've taken the liberty of emailing CFC at one time inquiring about it. It is classified as prohib cause of "it's use as a armour piercing round". So, it doesn't matter if you put a hollowpoint or a AP round. It is still deemed illegal...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greylocks

Powder for flintlocks and modern firearms is NOT the same. Please double check your information before you get a disaster someday or suggest it to anyone else.

I didn't say they were the same thing. I was just talking about powder in general. However, thanks for pointing that out to other less experienced members.

Quote:

err since when exactly? Civi variants of the P90 (which uses the 5.7 cartridge) are available for sale, and use in Canada.

Since when? I've got an account on CGN and I assure you I've never seen the PS90 (civilian semi-auto P90 variant). Maybe some people with a prohibited endorsement have touched on one but I doubt they are available. Only time you will probably see one is if JTF2 does a raid or drug bust near by...

Goldman · November 26th, 2007, 18:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by digital_blue

Read around, The 5.7 is illegal. I've taken the liberty of emailing CFC at one time inquiring about it. It is classified as prohib cause of "it's use as a armour piercing round". So, it doesn't matter if you put a hollowpoint or a AP round. It is still deemed illegal...

I didn't say they were the same thing. I was just talking about powder in general. However, thanks for pointing that out to other less experienced members.

Since when? I've got an account on CGN and I assure you I've never seen the PS90 (civilian semi-auto P90 variant). Maybe some people with a prohibited endorsement have touched on one but I doubt they are available. Only time you will probably see one is if JTF2 does a raid or drug bust near by...

Well shit, better run over to CGN and tell the PS90 shooters there that they need to destroy all their ammo right now! Not to mention the CF's 90s are not PS-90s, they are the real deal.

Sergeantmajor · November 26th, 2007, 18:30

having an account on CGN doesnt' mean you know jack shit about firearms and its laws.

only a one or two PS90 and FS2000 made it in Canada. thats because the USA won't let you Export them. 5.7x28 is not a prohibited munition. its the one that is armor piercing that is.

back on track.

get your PAL and buy some .17hmr. its probably the closest thing you can get.

PS.I have some empty 5.7x28 brass casings. I picked them up at the range I went to while i lived in Halifax. the fishing and something agents came to that range and fired their P90's there. the casings all fell in little piles because they are ejected from under. i can get you guys a pic of some of the casings.

Greylocks · November 26th, 2007, 21:10

Read around? I've been handling Restricted and Prohib guns, even teaching with them, for longer than you've been alive. How many years have you studied the subject? 5 or 6 since you turned 18?

Do you own a firearm in the Restricted or Prohibited class? Which one?
Have you ever reloaded your own ammo? Which calibers?

Have you ever used a flintlock? Black powder is an explosive, not a propellant. Mess with that and you die.

There's reading, and there's doing. That is when you learn the difference. You seem to have a lot of book-based knowledge, and that is fine up to a certain point. Maybe you should get out to a real gun range to learn the practical side of things. It's far from the same, and in some cases it can mean a lot more than being told about it. It can mean your safety and that of the people around you.

So far much of what you have said is incorrect, and I'm not alone saying that.

Sergeantmajor · November 26th, 2007, 21:18

hey Greylocks...who are you flaming this time? me? or some one else?

SuperCkicken · November 26th, 2007, 21:57

im pretty sure graylocks isnt refering to you and rather digital blue, as he was the one who first said read around

Cortexburn · November 26th, 2007, 22:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by digital_blue

However, thanks for pointing that out to other less experienced members.

Yeah.......right.....

Shirley · November 26th, 2007, 22:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sergeantmajor

PS.I have some empty 5.7x28 brass casings. I picked them up at the range I went to while i lived in Halifax. the fishing and something agents came to that range and fired their P90's there. the casings all fell in little piles because they are ejected from under. i can get you guys a pic of some of the casings.

They are pretty small aren't they. I googled.

arman · November 26th, 2007, 22:45

Quote:
Originally Posted by arman
how do they know whats in the package???they dont look at incountry mail. if they did they would shit their pants(me and my buddy laugh bout it)

Since when dont they look or scan packages?
They look with less effort than for stuff crossing the Border, but they do scan on occasion or if there is an alert.

if you read it grey thats wehat i was saying

Sergeantmajor · November 26th, 2007, 23:22

5.7x28 look like mini 5.56x45

Greylocks · November 27th, 2007, 06:29

Arman, what I said is that they DO look at, and scan, packages inside Canada. Not as often as those coming across the border, but they look more than people know. If that is what you meant, sorry. I thought you were saying they never looked.

The flame was for Digital Blue, who painfully needs to inform himself before giving advice. Specially when the advice can cause severe injury.

To create fake bullets, you need: Empty casings, the bullets, a reloading press, skill.
To disarm live rounds you need: A bullet puller, a bucket of liquid WD-40, time to let the primers get destroyed by the WD-40, safe disposal of the powder, and a reloading press plus the skill to remove the dead primers and put the rounds back together.

When dealing with real guns and real gun parts/ammo, never take stupid risks or guesswork. Ask someone who knows their stuff. You dont 'respawn' from those injuries.

There's enough people here who DO know their stuff, ask them instead of quoting things you 'read' someplace.

Cassius · November 27th, 2007, 08:14

I'd like to add this to Grey's post:

If you're not experienced with live ammo, do not try and create your own fake / dummy rounds. If you do not have the proper tools, do not try and create your own fake/ dummy rounds. It may cause you serious injury and even death.

ASC is not on your side if you try and do that.

Brit ter · November 27th, 2007, 08:50

Some of the local surplus stores sell deactivated ammo .50 , 7.62, 5.56

Greylocks · November 27th, 2007, 12:16

Yes, please, I dont care if you feel like ignoring all the FAQ or advice in the world... dont screw around with things that can blow your brains out just with the primer alone.

Skill IS required. This normally takes a course.

Even worse for blackpowder rounds which can go off simply by a static electricity discharge. Now you know why powder horns were never made from steel. I'm sure it took a few craters for folks to get the hint.

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November 26th, 2007, 18:30	#49
Sergeantmajor Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Canada	having an account on CGN doesnt' mean you know jack shit about firearms and its laws. only a one or two PS90 and FS2000 made it in Canada. thats because the USA won't let you Export them. 5.7x28 is not a prohibited munition. its the one that is armor piercing that is. back on track. get your PAL and buy some .17hmr. its probably the closest thing you can get. PS.I have some empty 5.7x28 brass casings. I picked them up at the range I went to while i lived in Halifax. the fishing and something agents came to that range and fired their P90's there. the casings all fell in little piles because they are ejected from under. i can get you guys a pic of some of the casings. __________________ "Lieutenant John Chard: The army doesn't like more than one disaster in a day. Bromhead: Looks bad in the newspapers and upsets civilians at their breakfast." - ZULU (1964)

November 26th, 2007, 21:18	#51
Sergeantmajor Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Canada	hey Greylocks...who are you flaming this time? me? or some one else? __________________ "Lieutenant John Chard: The army doesn't like more than one disaster in a day. Bromhead: Looks bad in the newspapers and upsets civilians at their breakfast." - ZULU (1964)

November 26th, 2007, 21:57	#52
SuperCkicken Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Delta, B.C	im pretty sure graylocks isnt refering to you and rather digital blue, as he was the one who first said read around __________________ Bred Fed Led

November 26th, 2007, 17:59	#46
ProbeJax Trader rating Join Date: Sep 2007	I don't understand, why do they change the color and make it two tone?

November 26th, 2007, 21:10	#50
Greylocks Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Gatineau, Quebec (Near Ottawa)	Read around? I've been handling Restricted and Prohib guns, even teaching with them, for longer than you've been alive. How many years have you studied the subject? 5 or 6 since you turned 18? Do you own a firearm in the Restricted or Prohibited class? Which one? Have you ever reloaded your own ammo? Which calibers? Have you ever used a flintlock? Black powder is an explosive, not a propellant. Mess with that and you die. There's reading, and there's doing. That is when you learn the difference. You seem to have a lot of book-based knowledge, and that is fine up to a certain point. Maybe you should get out to a real gun range to learn the practical side of things. It's far from the same, and in some cases it can mean a lot more than being told about it. It can mean your safety and that of the people around you. So far much of what you have said is incorrect, and I'm not alone saying that.

November 26th, 2007, 22:45	#55
arman Trader rating Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Windsor, Ont.	Quote: Originally Posted by arman how do they know whats in the package???they dont look at incountry mail. if they did they would shit their pants(me and my buddy laugh bout it) Since when dont they look or scan packages? They look with less effort than for stuff crossing the Border, but they do scan on occasion or if there is an alert. if you read it grey thats wehat i was saying __________________ playing with my kid!

November 26th, 2007, 23:22	#56
Sergeantmajor Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Canada	5.7x28 look like mini 5.56x45 __________________ "Lieutenant John Chard: The army doesn't like more than one disaster in a day. Bromhead: Looks bad in the newspapers and upsets civilians at their breakfast." - ZULU (1964)

November 27th, 2007, 06:29	#57
Greylocks Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Gatineau, Quebec (Near Ottawa)	Arman, what I said is that they DO look at, and scan, packages inside Canada. Not as often as those coming across the border, but they look more than people know. If that is what you meant, sorry. I thought you were saying they never looked. The flame was for Digital Blue, who painfully needs to inform himself before giving advice. Specially when the advice can cause severe injury. To create fake bullets, you need: Empty casings, the bullets, a reloading press, skill. To disarm live rounds you need: A bullet puller, a bucket of liquid WD-40, time to let the primers get destroyed by the WD-40, safe disposal of the powder, and a reloading press plus the skill to remove the dead primers and put the rounds back together. When dealing with real guns and real gun parts/ammo, never take stupid risks or guesswork. Ask someone who knows their stuff. You dont 'respawn' from those injuries. There's enough people here who DO know their stuff, ask them instead of quoting things you 'read' someplace.

November 27th, 2007, 08:14	#58
Cassius Trader rating Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Montreal, Canada	I'd like to add this to Grey's post: If you're not experienced with live ammo, do not try and create your own fake / dummy rounds. If you do not have the proper tools, do not try and create your own fake/ dummy rounds. It may cause you serious injury and even death. ASC is not on your side if you try and do that. __________________ WE AIN'T DEAD

November 27th, 2007, 08:50	#59
Brit ter Trader rating Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Niagara Region	Some of the local surplus stores sell deactivated ammo .50 , 7.62, 5.56

November 27th, 2007, 12:16	#60
Greylocks Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Gatineau, Quebec (Near Ottawa)	Yes, please, I dont care if you feel like ignoring all the FAQ or advice in the world... dont screw around with things that can blow your brains out just with the primer alone. Skill IS required. This normally takes a course. Even worse for blackpowder rounds which can go off simply by a static electricity discharge. Now you know why powder horns were never made from steel. I'm sure it took a few craters for folks to get the hint.

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