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Old June 6th, 2018, 03:09   #1
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From chairsofter to airsofter - need input on (AR-15) GBB Rifles. WE only

Right now on Torontoairsoft they have the "wetti tech M4a1 open bolt" on sale for $429.99 from 499.. However the plain M4A1 has no front rails and a (stock) long barrel. But the WE KAC PDW is $499.
So if I went with WE, I can pay $430 for a standard AR or I can pay the extra $70 and it comes with a much shorter barrel and a folding stock.

I have attached a picture of my real-steel AR-15. I would want to use the foregrip off of it and attach it to the RIS of the WE PDW. But if I decide to save that $70 by only getting the plain m4 then I'd need to buy a new ris foregrip AND a folding stock because I want both.
That is Why I am wondering if I should just buy the cheaper m4a1 and install my own RIS foregrip (and eventually get a folding stock) or if I should just go for the PDW and pay the extra $70.

The reason I've only been talking about WE so far is because the PDW (in black) is in stock, it comes with two mags and it's open bolt, and I want an AR that has been proven to be reliable (internally/externally) with easy access to cheap upgrade parts. I also want it to be durable. I want to be able to treat this thing almost like my real AR. I want to be able to slap the left side of the receiver to hit the bolt catch just like I do for my R.S. I want the body and the buttons, trigger, barrel all reinforced.

Since the gun costs about the same as an AR-STYLED .22 rifle - I've decided that if I'm dropping more than $500 on an Airsoft gun then it's time to come out to a game and introduce myself to the guys. Now comes my "Airsoft" needs.

I bought my first Airsoft gun (a UHC Glock 17 Springer) 13 and a half years ago. I've only ever owned AEG's. I've also only ever plinked...

I want the PDW because it is still just as strong & durable, accurate and reliable as the full sized M4A1 Carbine, but with a slight loss in FPS due to the shorter barrel. I don't know what the fields around the Saskatoon-area are like, but the PDW would be good for long range and cqb battles.

Who here has a WE m4 or a WE PDW? thanks for the input
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Old June 6th, 2018, 09:24   #2
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WE was very much the go to gas gun in Canada for quite a while and you can find parts for them without too much trouble. You can also use a fair amount of real Colt parts on them too.

The weakness of pretty well all gas guns is the mag. On the WE there's an updated 2 piece version that's a lot better than the older types.

Because they're so prevalent I would say get age verified and look for a package for sale in the classifieds here and also visiting games to see a few of the more current brands. Once you lock into a brand and a stack of magazines it's a lot more effort to switch.
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Old June 6th, 2018, 09:30   #3
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Current setup. Started as a closed bolt CQBR converted to open bolt. Doesn't mean the same as in RS so avoid closed bolt.
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Old June 6th, 2018, 09:47   #4
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Unless you're a gun tech guru like Danke, I've seen to many WE's break, and their cold weather performance unreliable for any gaming environment.

As you know M4's are very modular, and any brand you can buy parts.

If you plan on never seeing any games, you can probably get away with the WE, if you plan on trying out some local CQB fields in the GTA area, you should consider the TM MWS or GHK M4s.
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Old June 6th, 2018, 13:12   #5
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I have both the WE PDW and the M4.

The PDW can be reliable if you take care of some items to mitigate disappointment in the future.

- Firing pin: switch it out to steel, it will mushroom over time or you'll have a dead firing situation since the pin can't push the mag valve anymore. If anything, switch out the FCG with a steel one to prevent other FCG issues such as valve locker breakage, auto sear wear, etc.

- Bolt catch: If you're using the PDW mags, you may have issues with the lever on the mag not pushing the bolt catch up high enough to engage bolt lock. I remedied this by gluing a small strip of kydex about 0.5mm thick underside the bolt catch lever to facilitate better contact with the mag lever and the catch.

- recoil spring guide: will break at the end of the upper receiver by the stock from repeated slams by the bolt carrier. Add a larger spring to over the existing spring to cushion further.

- charging handle: may break at the tip where it engages the bolt carrier. Do not buy a replacement PDW one, they are soft and will break again easily. Use an M4 one - however, you will need to file it at the guides and at the end in order to work.

Other than that, the PDW has a very sharp recoil since the bolt carrier is small and light.

The PDW in my opinion is much more reliable than an M4 if you follow the steps above.

You can slap the bolt release all day and it won't wear out anywhere near as fast compared to the M4.
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Old June 18th, 2018, 19:40   #6
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A warning about upgrading:

Much of the WE is made out of lesser quality metal. If you upgrade to steel parts, the steel will eventually break the lesser quality metal. For example, a steel bolt is going to wear down the metal it comes in contact with.

I've had my feed lips broken by steel parts like an RA-Tech nozzle. I don't want to see other people go through the money pit troubles I had with WE. GHK, and KWA LM4 are going to be a bit less of a financial pain in the long run.
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