Guarder "Auto-back" AK bolt carrier

Kokanee · December 6th, 2005, 23:06

Yes, it will fit to any stock TM AK47/AKS/Spetz

however with the AKS you'll need to find somewhere else to put the battery as mentioned above.

CanIplayDaddy · December 7th, 2005, 00:47

Thx alot kokanee! Discovered the A varient for the carrier.

Also besides that auto back bolt carrier, the Guarder website says I have to modify my piston and piston head? Is that true? or can i use the stock marui piston head and piston..

CanIplayDaddy · December 8th, 2005, 06:48

anyone?

thePiRaTE!! · December 8th, 2005, 07:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by CanIplayDaddy

...the Guarder website says I have to modify my piston and piston head.....

My guess is...

CanIplayDaddy · December 9th, 2005, 07:19

Can somebody confirm that? Because sites like Redwolf do not state that you require the piston and piston head upgrades...

Kokanee · December 9th, 2005, 07:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by CanIplayDaddy

Can somebody confirm that? Because sites like Redwolf do not state that you require the piston and piston head upgrades...

Easy young skywalker. According to CP my bolt just cleared customs on the 7th, I should have it soon and then all questions will be answered.

[Avtomat] · December 14th, 2005, 21:20

i know this is 5 days old, but any one have this thing installed? video?

hksdu · December 18th, 2005, 01:11

there's a video of the blowback bolt in action on redwolf, it's on their custom AK47/AKS74 AEGs, and has a flashvideo link to both of those guarder kits displaying the blowback action, it looked kinda sluggish to me, but maybe it was the camera/video..ete.. lol :P
Some guy who sells airsoft around had an AK come in and said it sounded very nice.

MadMax · December 18th, 2005, 02:08

I can't see why Guarders piston head or piston are required upgrades for the auto back bolt. The upgrade parts are pretty much duplicates of TM stock part dimensions.

I think the bit which pulls the bolt back does not protrude into the mechbox so deep that it interferes with the spring guide. Sorry, if I had an AK I would try one out so I could say whether it was truly a good product. I only carry them for customer demand.

hksdu · December 18th, 2005, 02:32

haha yeah I don't have the guarder piston or P.head, but it looks like it will fit to me, i guess i'll have to see, but one thing I noticed is the bolt only blows back halfway only, but i think this is only because of the design of the bolt and how this whole thing works i guess.
but the parts look really easy to modify to fix this if possible.

CanIplayDaddy · December 18th, 2005, 09:08

I got it and will be modding it on as soon as possible which may take some time... need to ask some guy for help.

I am guessing Guarder is just stating that their piston head and piston is mandatory to encourage you to purchase it together?

Kid · December 18th, 2005, 09:56

I amagine you actually need it because of the shape... or another brand of piston that's the same... but who knows which one would work.

If you don't have it... and they say you need it...
But hey, you may be right, they may just be lying to make you buy more.

:lol:

Spitfire · December 18th, 2005, 13:03

i would not install it! it's not that cool... you loose so much fps, and the *** is, your piston is not built for such hard work...

MadMax · December 18th, 2005, 14:26

The piston only pulls the chamber cover rearwards and a light return spring pulls it forwards so the piston can move as fast as it wants in the forward direction.

hksdu · December 18th, 2005, 16:20

well for the record, i think a blow back AK is an awesome AEG, a little trade in FPS can be solved by better springs and such

The piece that hooks onto the pistol *silver L shaped rod* is flat on the side that inserts into the gearbox, i assume it is supposed to slip in between the spring and pistol perhaps? I dont see any other way for the gearbox to "cock" the bolt back besides this. and also...would installation of the kit actually be like cocking the bolt back on the AK if u manually pull it as well? too many questions, gotta just buy this thing :P

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December 18th, 2005, 02:08	#24
MadMax Delierious Designer of Dastardly Detonations Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: in the dark recesses of some metal chip filled machine shop	I can't see why Guarders piston head or piston are required upgrades for the auto back bolt. The upgrade parts are pretty much duplicates of TM stock part dimensions. I think the bit which pulls the bolt back does not protrude into the mechbox so deep that it interferes with the spring guide. Sorry, if I had an AK I would try one out so I could say whether it was truly a good product. I only carry them for customer demand. __________________ Want nearly free GBB gas?

December 18th, 2005, 14:26	#29
MadMax Delierious Designer of Dastardly Detonations Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: in the dark recesses of some metal chip filled machine shop	The piston only pulls the chamber cover rearwards and a light return spring pulls it forwards so the piston can move as fast as it wants in the forward direction. __________________ Want nearly free GBB gas?

December 6th, 2005, 23:06	#16
Kokanee Ministry of Peace Trader rating Join Date: Mar 2002	Yes, it will fit to any stock TM AK47/AKS/Spetz however with the AKS you'll need to find somewhere else to put the battery as mentioned above.

December 7th, 2005, 00:47	#17
CanIplayDaddy Trader rating Join Date: May 2005 Location: sg	Thx alot kokanee! Discovered the A varient for the carrier. Also besides that auto back bolt carrier, the Guarder website says I have to modify my piston and piston head? Is that true? or can i use the stock marui piston head and piston..

December 8th, 2005, 06:48	#18
CanIplayDaddy Trader rating Join Date: May 2005 Location: sg	anyone?

December 9th, 2005, 07:19	#20
CanIplayDaddy Trader rating Join Date: May 2005 Location: sg	Can somebody confirm that? Because sites like Redwolf do not state that you require the piston and piston head upgrades...

December 14th, 2005, 21:20	#22
[Avtomat] Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Markham, Ontario	i know this is 5 days old, but any one have this thing installed? video?

December 18th, 2005, 01:11	#23
hksdu Trader rating Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Richmond B.C	there's a video of the blowback bolt in action on redwolf, it's on their custom AK47/AKS74 AEGs, and has a flashvideo link to both of those guarder kits displaying the blowback action, it looked kinda sluggish to me, but maybe it was the camera/video..ete.. lol :P Some guy who sells airsoft around had an AK come in and said it sounded very nice.

December 18th, 2005, 02:32	#25
hksdu Trader rating Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Richmond B.C	haha yeah I don't have the guarder piston or P.head, but it looks like it will fit to me, i guess i'll have to see, but one thing I noticed is the bolt only blows back halfway only, but i think this is only because of the design of the bolt and how this whole thing works i guess. but the parts look really easy to modify to fix this if possible.

December 18th, 2005, 09:08	#26
CanIplayDaddy Trader rating Join Date: May 2005 Location: sg	I got it and will be modding it on as soon as possible which may take some time... need to ask some guy for help. I am guessing Guarder is just stating that their piston head and piston is mandatory to encourage you to purchase it together?

December 18th, 2005, 09:56	#27
Kid Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Moose Jaw, SK	I amagine you actually need it because of the shape... or another brand of piston that's the same... but who knows which one would work. If you don't have it... and they say you need it... But hey, you may be right, they may just be lying to make you buy more. :lol:

December 18th, 2005, 13:03	#28
Spitfire Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Switzerland	i would not install it! it's not that cool... you loose so much fps, and the *** is, your piston is not built for such hard work...

December 18th, 2005, 16:20	#30
hksdu Trader rating Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Richmond B.C	well for the record, i think a blow back AK is an awesome AEG, a little trade in FPS can be solved by better springs and such The piece that hooks onto the pistol silver L shaped rod is flat on the side that inserts into the gearbox, i assume it is supposed to slip in between the spring and pistol perhaps? I dont see any other way for the gearbox to "cock" the bolt back besides this. and also...would installation of the kit actually be like cocking the bolt back on the AK if u manually pull it as well? too many questions, gotta just buy this thing :P

Guarder "Auto-back" AK bolt carrier

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