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Old April 11th, 2008, 04:27   #61
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Originally Posted by Cushak View Post
Most guns these days newer people are buying have a short life expectancy as it is, and many need to be opened to give them good performance.
Funny, the last time I played against people here in Manitoba, they all had mid to high quality guns. Hell, mine shot 410fps on .2 out of the box.

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Originally Posted by Cushak View Post
I've witnessed a lot of dumb, stupid things at games. Last year a group of us went to alberta for a big game, while there, somebody held a pistol against one of our our guys' skulls and pulled the trigger.

So if the situation allows for a lower fps (no need to worry about range etc), why not?
Wow, so one retard in alberta and the rest of the god damned country suffers. Congrats on the kindergarten punishment mentality. Still have not seen any evidence to prove that 350 is more dangerous than 300 when the proper precautions are made.

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Originally Posted by Cushak View Post
The honus is also on the shooter, and gun owner to use it in a reasonable, responsible manner. In CQB, having a hot gun does not affect skill. So, why? Because some people out there won't spend $10 on a spring, and a few hours learning how to take apart a mechbox. (once you do it the first time, it takes about 20-30 minutes to clean, re-grease, and swap a spring.)
Assumptions are hilarious. You assume everyone is gifted with technical inclination. Not everyone is. Not everyone can take apart a mechbox, let alone put it back together again.

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Originally Posted by Cushak View Post
$70? fps issue aside, who charges $70 for a spring swap? Who pays for that either?
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Originally Posted by Zekk05 View Post
This has nothing to do with inflicting more pain on people. It has to do with the costs involved in toning down a gun to fire at these lowwer rates, in comparison to the costs of mask. 90% of the Manitoba players have guns tuned to the 330-350fps range because thats what our indoor arena has been using for the past 3 years (injury-free as previously stated). To get our guns down to 320fps, we would need to
- buy a new spring (20$)
- have our techs install it (25$ labour)
- have our techs reinstall the old spring upon returning (another 25$)
Versus
- buy a 15$ facemask (which should be mandatory for a business owned field IMO)

So for a player who doesnt know how to swap springs themselves, thats 70$ above and beyond the other costs for attending the game.

On one side, players dont want to spend up to 70$ just to be able to play in one game to play at the lowwer FPS restrictions.
On the other side, players dont want to have to wear a facemask for whatever reasons. A cheap low profile face masl (such as the Sensei) is only 15$!!

70$ vs 15$...
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Originally Posted by Cushak View Post
If it's a TM, it's 280 stock anyways. If it's a clone, you could even accidentally increase the life span.
I love how you think everyone can be technically inclined. It's a laughable concept at best. My TM M16A2 was 310 on .2's, out of the box. So no. It's not that all the time.

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My point isn't about "not having testicles", it's about what's the point? If it was about "having the balls", why doesn't someone just enlist and go over to the sandbox to get shot at with real bullets?
lol. You missed the point. You're crying about FPS limits being too high, when the majority of these guns shoot just under or just over 350 in stock condition. When there's no extra risk involved, why bother changing the spring because someone's got sand in their ovaries?

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I'm not arguing against people who's opinion is that 350 is a good limit for this CQB building (Ultra tight engagements). I'm only asking for a reason other than a) "Grow some balls" or b) "I'm too lazy to change my springs". Other than those two, why would you say is a good reason. (I don't consider "life expectancy" a good reason. The only two mech boxes I can see this affecting are TM's (280 anyways) and PTWs)
Is there a reason we SHOULD change the spring? You've still not shown any evidence that it's more dangerous. Not a single shred. So my point still stands. It's not any more dangerous than 300, so why bother changing for people because of some perceived yet non-extant threat.
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