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Old January 29th, 2007, 16:26   #43
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Originally Posted by Greylocks View Post
You can hunt with a Permit.
If you're going to be specific:

You require your Ontario Hunter Safety certificate to be a licensed hunter. You then need to buy the appropriate license for hunting and then tag for the specific animals in the appropriate season and WMU to hunt those animals.

Hunting on Crown Land is permitted unless in some areas and when not in other is usually due to municpal bylaws disallowing it (usually due to proximity to population). I've hunted in season in Simcoe County Forests after obtaining all the above licenses and a county license. This is a common practice in central Ontario. In northern Ontario, hunting on Crown land is generally a given, so long as it is in season and you have the appropriate licenses and tags.

Originally Posted by Greylocks View Post
If you are going to shoot a real gun, you need either a permit, or the authorization of whoever runs the local municipality that allows the land you are on to be used for that purpose.
Unless explicitly disallowed by munciple bylaws (usually noise bylaws) this is wrong. If you own the land, you are permitted to shoot non-restricted firearms on that property. If you are a responsible shooter, you will ensure a proper and safe backstop, but, there is no law requiring you to apply for a napproved gun range to shoot on your own property unless you intend to run a club that allows shooting restricted firearms.

Originally Posted by Greylocks View Post
The shooting area becomes a range, in pretty much all legal definitions. You need a PAL (or the equivalent for youths), at least.
No, the shooting area does NOT become a range by pretty much all legal definitions. A federally, provincially and municipally approved firearms range is entirely different from shooting on private property. How do I know? Because I've been closely involved for the last 3 years with the executive committee of my local gun club working to get our private property that we already shoot at recreationally for 35 years, approved for restricted firearms. Had we not wanted to shoot restricted firearms, we could leave the property as an unapproved range and continue to shoot at it unless the municipality specifically passed a bylaw to stop us. Its called 'recreational shooting' and it is permitted without any special licenses or permits.

By custom if there is more than one firearm and/or shooter, you may enact a range officer and follow range protocols to ensure the safety of all concerned. This does not constitute a legal range.

A PAL is a 'possession and acquisition license' and has nothing to do with allowing where you to shoot a gun, only that you can possess one or acquire one. I can take a non licensed individual onto my private property and supervise his shooting of my firearms, but I cannot loan or sell my firearm to him.

Originally Posted by Greylocks View Post
So one way or another, you need permission from whoever is responsible for the land even if you own it or the Crown owns it.
No, you do not need permission if you own it. You grant yourself permission as a recreational shooter and shoot safely in accordance with your provincial firearms training which exams you passed that tell you how to handle a firearm safely and where it is permitted to shoot.

If the Crown owns the land, the rules for that tract of land will be available at the local municiple office and additional information about use of that section of Crown land for hunting can be obtained through the same method. How do I know? Because I am a hunter and I hunt up in the Parry Sound region for black bear each year and have done precisely what I described to comply with the law. I have surrendered my licenses and permits for inspection by Ministry Conservation Officers on more than one occasion and have been found to be in compliance in all cases.

Originally Posted by Greylocks View Post
That's the basics for real guns.
No its entirely inaccurate information about real guns. If you're going to hand out advice on the basis of being an expert, then get the expertise first. You've claimed for years here that you're a licensed gun owner. Based on the information you've given out here, I am now questioning that fact because you've done nothing more than perpetuate ignorant mythologies about gun ownership and shooting in Canada. Go sign up on and ask the numerous licensed owners over there, the laws are quite clear and referenceable. I am sure many of them would be shocked to hear that in your opinion they've been breaking laws by shooting on their private property for the past 70 years.

If you are a licensed owner, then you are woefully ignorant and have a responsibility to update yourself. If you're not, stop posing as an expert.

Originally Posted by Greylocks View Post
Airsoft is another problem; not real guns, not airguns, allowed or banned depending on how folks feel that day. Normally considered Replicas with all the rules attached.

That means Joe Teenager cannot own one. He/she cant use one without supervision. Where Replicas can be used is obscure but better left to areas approved by the authorities. We all go through the precautions anyway.

Shooting with buddies, among teenagers, with Replicas they are not legally allowed to have, is a recipy for disaster. No matter where it happens.

Real guns should not even be mentioned by the teens hoping it makes a difference. It does not.
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