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Old December 27th, 2012, 21:25   #20
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Originally Posted by L473ncy View Post
I'm not sure if you realize this but when companies like Crosman and Daisy make 495 FPS pellet guns they're using standard pellets (typically around 8 grain). You can get "hyper velocity" pellets that are like 4.5 grain that make those "495 FPS" guns shoot higher than what they're tested with (ie. a gun might fire 400 FPS with .20 but 500 FPS using .12g because it has the same energy). That's why they have the inclusion of "AND" 5.7 Joules.
I know very well what I'm talking about, it was the RCMP's firearm lab that decided to play with Hypervelocity rounds, and then even with the NFA's requests to add a energy limit for a long time, their official stance is:

"Administrative Policy #14: Air, Spring or Gas firearms which are identified as capable of discharging 177 calibre pellets, shall be tested for velocity, if required[?],z to establish whether they are 'Deemed Non-Firearms' under Part III of the Criminal Code of Canada, section 84(3)(d)(i) and (ii). Breech loading -- Air, Spring or Gas shall be tested with all standards of ammunition that the firearm is capable of discharging [emphasis in original]. In the case where the firearm feeds only from a cylindrical magazine or other type of feed device, only those pellets which will feed through the feed device shall be tested. When tested the results for record shall be those results which achieved the highest velocity of the test ammunition. Ammunition standards for velocity testing shall, as a minimum, include both "Lead Waisted Pellets" and "Laser Hawk, Hyper-Velocity Pellets."
Actually, to settle this "debate", right out of the Criminal Code of Canada:

  • (d) any other barrelled weapon, where it is proved that the weapon is not designed or adapted to discharge
  • (i) a shot, bullet or other projectile at a muzzle velocity exceeding 152.4 m per second or at a muzzle energy exceeding 5.7 Joules, or
  • (ii) a shot, bullet or other projectile that is designed or adapted to attain a velocity exceeding 152.4 m per second or an energy exceeding 5.7 Joules.
It is "or" not "and", but if the "weapon" is designed by the manufacturer, or adapted by the user to break either of these rules, then it becomes a firearm. Which are the changes that were brought about by Bill 10 to make regular pellet guns non-regulated firearms again after hyper velocity pellets were introduced.

Since typical airsoft guns are designed to operate using .20g BB's, and are specified as such by the manufacturer, if the user gets a .20g BB going over 500fps, its a firearm.

Same way pellet guns didn't overnight end up being required to be registered, because of the "standard" pellet being used to determine speed by the manufacturer is acceptable, as long as the energy doesn't exceed 5.7 Joules of the original pellet used to determine velocity.


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