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Old January 21st, 2012, 04:50   #50
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Just so you know, this is not aimed at you. This is just addressing the points you brought up for the edification of newer players...

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You can't expect ad-hoc game organization to happen with the pragmatic efficiency of the Japanese train system.
You've never been to Muskoka (I assume), but then Muskoka is not Ad-hoc. Generally, the larger and more complex the game, the less forgiving the hosts will be of people who back out.

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Consider the various states of interest and types of people involved in the runup to a game:
From my experience, this is how things go. This comes from years of experience (the game hosts) of having to deal with player sign ups and flakers.......

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1) 100% "in" - will come no matter what.
This is the only definition of 'IN'. For a lot of the larger games, the hosts do a lot of prep and set-up to make for a playable game. This involves them putting their own cash up front. Game fees from players is how they offset their cost. You can imagine their reaction for players who "IN", taking up a spot, and don't show. To borrow from Muskoka, if 20 players out of 100 don't show, at $50 each, that's $1000 that the hosts have to cover.

If a game host requires that you reserve a spot, it's guaranteed that if you call "IN", you better show up. If you commit yourself to a game, allot the time accordingly. Everyone understands that life gets in the way. If you have to back out, let the host know right away and why. No one has ever been posthumously banned from future games because he died the the day before an event and, to my knowledge, no future airsoft player has been banned because he made daddy miss a game by forcing mom into labour on game day.

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2) 100% "in" - will come if they can get a ride.
This is more problematic. My suggestion for these people is rather than call in, ask for a ride first. I've seen a lot of "in pending ride". It's up to the host to handle this. Most will view this as uncommitted until a firm "IN".

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3) 50/50 "in" - wishes to express their interest in the game but will know better closer to the date. This person is not evil, and not a contract-breaker. The system should allow for them to exist.
There is a system for this. It's called "not filling the game thread with crap". There's been more than one game thread where there is a retarded number of posts of people who's only post is "I can't make it" or "put me as tentative".

The best way to make this clear to new players to find a reasonably sturdy table, pull down their pants, and bend them over the table. Have them turn around to the person sodomizing them and ask "Are you 50% in or 100% in?". At some point they will realize that there is no such thing as half-way. Either commit or don't.

No one cares who's not coming or why. Games are planned around the people who actually show up. Tentative is the same as not coming from a monetary standpoint. If you're interested, decide if you're interested enough to actually attend, then commit. Unless the thread specifically says "Looking for Interest", hosts don't want to hear from you.

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4) Flaker - not intending to come but ins anyway (this is probably a small group). A community should systematically shun these folks, but with the right payment/event system, they won't even be a problem.
There is a Flake List that gets passed around the major game hosts. These people don't attend any major games regardless of their stated interest.

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9) Someone who has guns and/or batteries to rent - these people can help solidify the "in"-ness of other people. How many friends have you invited to airsoft who said "but I don't have a gun/mask/goggles/camo/etc" ?
The community honour system applies to more than just calling your hits. It's up to the player to make sure he's equipped to play. My invited friends have always attended using my guns, wearing my spare goggles, wearing my spare BDU's. They are my responsibility.

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10) Vendors who are able to provide BBs or retailer support and bring more marketing to you (and vice versa)
Already taken care of. The retailers are under the same honour system when they make their own commitments when they post their attendance.

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11) People who would love to show up but refuse to go through the rigamarole of signing up on some "forum"
This is just odd. If they have the wherewithal to actually attend, they can spend the effort to let the hosts know they're coming.

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12) 100% "in" unless bad weather. Some people run external LiPos and/or trigger computers that won't handle rain well. Some people just don't consider it fun.
See point 1) Either commit 100% or not at all. There are players who show rain or shine who don't enjoy being informed that the person who took their slot in a capped game didn't show. The last Muskoka game I attended, we got pissed on and I spent the weekend soaked to my boxers. That's milsim and that's what I came to play. Don't like it? Try paintball.

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etc.. etc.. If you don't want some of these types of people in your game, be clear and state it. That should be a theme actually: If you don't want people who can't handle a 2-date requirement, etc, then be clear "we can go on and play without you but don't sign up. No hard feelings". Etc.
It was made clear years ago and some hosts now screen their player lists.

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But of particular interest is case #4, the outright flaker. Wouldn't it be nice for your event organizer method/system/whatever to not be so brittle as to be brought down, or at least not have your day ruined by a flaker?... Yet why do people continue to design situations in which they get terrorized by these types of participants?
See my answer to #4.

Airsoft is primarily based on honour. This solves pretty much all the problems regarding money and attendance. If you cannot prove yourself dependable, you won't last very long.
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