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Old August 23rd, 2010, 09:42   #1
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ASC Classifieds trade dispute :(

Hey ASC,
Here's another one of those threads where people complain about how someone screwed them in a deal, then ask what they should do.

This particular deal had me buying an upgraded Tokyo Marui M4 S-System from VS.T approx two months ago. The ad for the M4 can be found here. As usual, the deal started off like any classifieds deal should, with the potential buyer (me, SSJDiVaD) giving an offer and a quick negotiation with the seller (VS.T). We exchanged personal info, agreed on the deal, and I paid. He ended up shipping late by a week or so after he got the money from me. He said he had it all packed up and ready to be shipped but just forgot to ship it; I'm taking his word for it. A screenshot of our PMs can be found here.

Note: I bought the gun for my friend on ASC (username withheld because he's technically not a part of this deal) who's not Age-Verified but is over 18. I consider him intelligent and mature enough to be burdened with the responsibility of using an airsoft gun. Furthermore I take full responsibility for its purchase and use (or else he'd be writing this thread instead of me) and the gun is still under my ownership but on loan to him whenever he goes out to a game. I've taken the time to educate him about safety, transportation, and responsible use as well as pointing him in the direction of the FAQs and Newbie Tank. If any admin or user has a problem with him not being AV'd, I'll gladly refrain from allowing him to use the gun as I realize the community generally frowns upon this.

When the gun arrived, I sent him a PM to VS.T letting him know and I left some positive feedback. I opened the package; the first thing I noticed was how scratched up the paint was on the receiver and grip. I thought, "Oh well, he had described the condition as 'minor scratches'" so I was prepared to overlook it. As I fondled the gun, I noticed the front sight had an obscene amount of forward-backward play in its locked-up position. Moving towards the rear, I saw that the rear sight was missing a retaining pin and was therefore unable to stay locked down, and that the ornamental bolt catch on the side of the receiver was missing. The receiver also appeared to have cracked at once point, and was repaired with some sort of glue. I remained hopeful that no more problems would pop up, and was prepared to accept these issues given the internal upgrades and the price of the gun.

Separating the upper and lower receivers, I noticed that the inner barrel was brass-coloured and concluded that it couldn't be a Prometheus barrel as the seller claimed. The hop-up also had a large chip broken off, possibly from a double feed at some point in the gun's life.

At this point, I sent a PM to VS.T notifying him of the problems with the gun and asking for compensation. I later sent another PM to him when I discovered how to remove the magazine catch. These two PMs can be found here. I also changed my positive feedback to negative, hoping it would add pressure and get him to respond.
When he didn't reply for a while, I reasoned that he might have been on vacation somewhere and couldn't access the internet. So I waited for a month and a bit, and eventually decided to send him another PM, giving him a week to reply or I'd report him to the ASC admins and the RCMP for fraud. He still didn't reply, but he gave me negative feedback in retaliation (on my birthday too!), thus proving that he wasn't on vacation.

A week and two days later, we arrive at the present. There are $150ish worth of issues with the gun, he hasn't replied to any of my PMs, he won't give either a partial or full refund, he's left me negative feedback in retaliation, and my friend's sworn he'll never buy from the classifieds once he's AV'd (and I'll be rather hesitant in the future). I'm hereby reporting VS.T to ASC in the hopes that increased pressure will force him to at least open negotiations, and that he will start accurately describing the condition of his items to any future buyers. Failing that, I'm hoping to protect anyone else from getting scammed by VS.T.

I haven't reported VS.T to the RCMP for fraud yet; I'm willing to wait and see if he'll co-operate. Do you guys feel I should go ahead and report him? Do you guys feel I've done anything wrong in our deal to deserve negative feedback? Is there anything else I should do now?

Thanks for reading this far,

EDIT: In total, it has been two months and one day as of August 23rd, 2010 since I sent money via EMT.

Last edited by SSJDiVaD; August 23rd, 2010 at 11:37.. Reason: 1st edit:fixed a slight grammatical error. 2nd edit: clarified a section about buying for a friend. 3: added the total time
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