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Old April 1st, 2010, 21:22   #1
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Trade dispute with dutch13

Hey guys and gals of ASC I’m in a situation which needs some advising, back in December of last year dutch13 or known as James Ferriera bought my Classic Army SL-8 as shown in the post below.

Please before anyone makes a comment, please read the entire post, thanks 

CA SL8 - TM mags can be added for $25 each. Does not come with drum-mag.

Can be configured differently, K length and/or flat top.

Asking $500 + shipping - EMT, Direct Deposit, Cash pick-ups. BANANA

The Situation:

The sale of a CA SL8 was completed and shipped out early this year. However but in mid-march, James claimed that his “top tech” verified the gearbox and front grip are JG. I was amazed as the claims as I bought the gun new 2-3 years back. I am a full time student and at the time I had the flu but I still agree to look into it.

17/03/2010 8:00:02 PM james
i hate being an asshole but this is serious
17/03/2010 8:00:26 PM
there are age verifyers involved
17/03/2010 8:00:48 PM w|L
hey james whats so serious?
17/03/2010 8:01:06 PM james
that gun stopped working k whatevs buyer beware thats cool right
17/03/2010 8:01:12 PM
i took it in
17/03/2010 8:01:20 PM
that isnt a classic army
17/03/2010 8:01:54 PM james
i paid for a advertised classic army sl8 and i got a ca body with a jing gong g 36c mech box
17/03/2010 8:02:12 PM james
front end is jg as well
17/03/2010 8:02:32 PM james
this was verifyed by our top tech
17/03/2010 8:02:39 PM james
he is a verifyer
17/03/2010 8:02:56 PM james
and he was quite pissed as well coz im a very honest guy
17/03/2010 8:04:40 PM w|L-
okay, so why is he pissed and why isn't the gun working?
17/03/2010 8:05:03 PM james
coz its a garbage jing gong mechbox that was swapped out for the ca
17/03/2010 8:05:32 PM james
and we are pissed coz i dont pay 475 for hybrids
17/03/2010 8:08:31 PM w|L-
alright let me find out who i got the gun from
17/03/2010 8:10:20 PM james
k cool and let him know he has a week to clear it up b4 i start pulling rank coz i could use that money on real guns

I look into the claims and two days later I get this obscure email, and I reply:

From: James
Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 8:11 PM
To: Lon
Subject: sl8 rip off status

hey there i have noticed your not online and not answering so i will be taking this to the hands of asc. i do not like getting ripped off and i was oh so badly and i know you may have to but that isnt certain on my part so i do need this cleared up now! unlike most people on asc i know my rights as a canadian buyer and selling under false pretences is illegal therfor i wish for this to be corrected. the options i came up with are option a. i send the gun back after a transfer of 475$ plus shipping or b. i get a sum of 240$ plus shipping for the lack of authentic parts. i suggest you take this seriously for i do not stand down and this can be done either between us or it can get legal ( personal business attourney Eric Harrison ) im sorry this has to be like this but a little hint, get your guns looked at before you sell them.

james ferrreira

From: Lon
To: James
Subject: Re: sl8 rip off status
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 22:16:28 -0400

I have had the flu for the past 4 days and I apologize for the absent responses. No one likes being ripped off, and you are escalating these concerns awfully quick without adequate time for me to reach a resolution. Where are these threats of legal action coming from? I stated I was going to do something about it, it's been 3 days, and I was ill for 4, I didn't address your concerns by saying I was sick, and I'll do it when I feel better, no, you brought it up and I looked into it immediately. You are awfully pushy and when it comes to getting your money back, when I was more than patient with you when you needed time to gather your funds, and declined other offers.

First it was "verifyed by our top tech" , okay... which you stated is a "verifyer", so how is that even relevant to this issue? Then your "personal business attourney Eric Harrison" jumps on the wagon.

Come on James, bigotry makes you sound like a total douche to be honest. I'd be more than happy to resolve this issue if you get off your high horse and just talk normally.

Cheers man

From: james ferreira
Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 10:37 PM
Subject: RE: sl8 rip off status

by no means am i a douche im just trying to resolve an issue quickly for i am in the film industry and this is how we do things. the reason my business att was brought up was souly because of the field im in and the purpose of the gun. i cannot go further into what i use the airsoft guns for due to contracted confidentiality. i am also an airsofter on my down time but this sl8 was purchased for a theatrical reason and for a studio. i am very sorry you were sick that sucks and yeah i jumped the gun but this "high horse" is how i roll and how i have to roll. im an honest friendly guy and i know you intentions are none but noble but im constantly swimming with sharks in my life so i do attack quite fast when i feel as if im being ignored. but i now know you were ill and thats fine coz i do trust you.
What I don’t understand is if why he would not just order one off his studio’s BFL carrier, if they didn’t have a BFL, would the purchase of a replica firearm be illegal for a studio?

After this conversation we agree to trade back the SL-8 for by new KSC G23F plus some freebies. The KSC G23F can be seen in this ad.


20/03/2010 10:41:23 PM james
i know ill be taking a big loss but would you trde back for your g23 auto?
20/03/2010 10:42:19 PM w|L-
I could, i can try to scrape up some funds to refund you tho
20/03/2010 10:42:37 PM james
i know ur a student man
20/03/2010 10:42:56 PM james
i figured i can use a small gun for indoor i guess
20/03/2010 10:43:12 PM james
and you cant really afford to send me money
20/03/2010 10:43:50 PM w|L-
james are you sure you want the g23f, i feel really bad, I'll toss you some magpul stuff
I give him my mobile number and we talked. I recommend him I will ship the gun with the slide installed in a few days because he told me he lacked technical knowledge of airsoft guns, and that the auto glock platforms have a harder degree of difficulty for slide installation requiring the use of specific tools.

During the phone conversation I coaxed to ship the KSC G23F to him the next day, apologizing how he acted as I was still ill, how I was only a student, that he would ship the SL-8 back as soon as possible and also he stated he had a scrim to attend. On Sunday I leave from Toronto to Hamilton for school and bring along my Glock to have it shipped the next day. Problem was that I forgot to bring the bag with some of the freebies and the metal slide. I explain this to him and he says it is fine, ship the slide later on, and sends me $40 for Priority shipping via CP. I describe to James that the G23F’s slide needs to be pulled back and then selected or it won’t fire will break if forced and he gives me a reply.

23/03/2010 12:02:27 AM w|L-
James also before you attempt to fire, you have to hold the slide back and select the firing mode
23/03/2010 12:02:50 AM w|L-
you cannot select firing modes when the slide is in battery
23/03/2010 12:03:02 AM w|L-
you have to hold it back
23/03/2010 12:03:22 AM w|L-
23/03/2010 12:03:34 AM w|L-
release slide
23/03/2010 12:03:36 AM w|L-
and fire away
23/03/2010 1:04:54 AM james
ummm why did you tell me this about the switch after you sent it? i researched the ksc g 23 and what your telling me is that its busted man. i dont like this at all. stuff like that makes me think you are capible of that mechbox switchout. i want to know why you were selling a defective g23 for 360 and why you didnt tell me till after we made the transaction.
23/03/2010 1:06:03 AM w|L-
no, that's how it operates
23/03/2010 1:07:16 AM w|L-
what did you research?
By this time I was surprised by his lack of knowledge and started to regret shipping him the gun without installing the slide.

I only shipped the G23F out because I was under the assumption that he would ship me the SL8. Before I rushed it out, I do a 1 (10-20 BBs) magazine test on semi to make sure it was working, and I send it out. My two roommates witnessed this and complained about the noise as well.

I send him the tracking number 20 minutes after I dropped it off at the post office and I receive a call from James within the hour.
“Yo, the tracking number you gave me doesn’t work” he states. I describe to him, CanadaPost takes some time to have the item catalogued into their system, don’t be surprised if it shows up before the tracking does.

22/03/2010 5:10:45 PM w|L-
keep checking the tracking, dont be surprised if the gun gets there before the tracking shows up, CanadaPost is known for that
22/03/2010 11:37:20 PM w|L-
hey james, did you get to ship the sl8 back yet? If not could you ship it to my school address of: Lon Jiang 277 Bowman St. Hamilton, Ontario L8S 2T9
22/03/2010 11:37:23 PM w|L-
I never received a reply to my inquiry on the status of the SL-8.

The G23F arrives to him next day but he claims it does not shoot at all and spews gas all over the place, but also states clearly he did not fire it at all. This was very confusing and conflicting. I help him trouble-shoot problems and found it was the combination of auto-firing with propane and the plastic barrel.

23/03/2010 12:48:45 PM james
ya its a busted fucking gun man
23/03/2010 12:48:55 PM w|L-
how is it busted?
23/03/2010 12:49:02 PM
put it on full it jams and leaks out the entir mag of gas
23/03/2010 12:49:17 PM james
put it on semi and it leaks the entire mag
23/03/2010 12:49:20 PM w|L-
yeah because of the plastic barrel
23/03/2010 12:49:54 PM james
k we do remember i paid 475 for that sl8
23/03/2010 12:49:56 PM w|L-
the thing was bnib tho
23/03/2010 12:50:06 PM w|L-
23/03/2010 12:50:51 PM james
so do i put in this metal barrel?
23/03/2010 12:51:29 PM w|L-
yes but you need the metal slide too, because the tolerances are different
23/03/2010 12:51:49 PM w|L-
okay take the slide off and look at the plastic outer barrel
23/03/2010 12:52:46 PM w|L-
on the bottom of the barrel are there any frays or sharp flash?
23/03/2010 12:53:50 PM james w|L- uh
i dont c nething
23/03/2010 12:54:35 PM w|L-
those jagged areas under the barrel
23/03/2010 12:54:43 PM w|L-
damn its hard to explain
23/03/2010 12:55:05 PM w|L- uh
okay how many times have you fired it?
23/03/2010 12:55:16 PM james w|L- uh
none it doesnt fire
23/03/2010 12:55:33 PM w|L- uh
I tested a mag on semi to be sure it worked
23/03/2010 12:56:05 PM w|L- uh
dude the is so fucked up
23/03/2010 12:56:29 PM w|L-
so it didnt even fire once?
23/03/2010 12:56:34 PM w|L-
on semi?
23/03/2010 12:56:50 PM james w|L-
it poofed
23/03/2010 12:57:09 PM w|L-
all the gas came out?
23/03/2010 12:57:35 PM james w|L- uh
23/03/2010 12:57:46 PM james w|L
im gunna try the metal man
23/03/2010 12:58:05 PM james w|L-
will that fuck with the gun?
23/03/2010 12:58:07 PM w|L-
try that im going to see if i can find a pic
23/03/2010 12:58:26 PM w|L-
see if the barrel fits into the plastic slide first
23/03/2010 12:59:14 PM james w|L-
23/03/2010 1:01:48 PM james w|L-
kind loose tho

I send James a reference picture of what I was talking about.

23/03/2010 1:05:27 PM w|L-
do you see that red circle, on the glocks with plastic barrels that part can sometimes have plastic sheared upwards due to firing using propane
23/03/2010 1:06:34 PM james w|L-
i see a fucked up piece like that on here ya
23/03/2010 1:07:04 PM w|L-
yeah, thats the problem when using propane with a plastic barrel
23/03/2010 1:07:42 PM w|L-
it happened to my g18c right here, but i have a metal slide/barrel now
23/03/2010 1:08:14 PM w|L-
if you use your finger and press it down, you can still fire it on semi, you test it out
23/03/2010 1:08:44 PM james w|L-
well the point of an auto glock is the auto part
23/03/2010 1:09:10 PM w|L-
yepp, thats why your getting the metal barrel and slide
23/03/2010 1:09:20 PM james w|L-
i have the barrel
23/03/2010 1:09:33 PM w|L-
does it fit into the plastic slide?
23/03/2010 1:09:41 PM james w|L-
23/03/2010 1:15:50 PM james w|L-
ya i have to take this to my tech
23/03/2010 1:17:48 PM w|L-
are you getting him to install the slide as well?
23/03/2010 1:18:45 PM james
i can do the slide myself but b4 this goes any further i want to make sure this thing works
23/03/2010 1:19:43 PM james
okay, that's fine
After this conversation, James tinkers with the Glock and gets it to work in semi-automatic

23/03/2010 6:53:45 PM james
i made a wee tweak to it so it shoots fine
23/03/2010 6:53:55 PM Lon
on the barrel?
23/03/2010 6:54:26 PM james Lon
ya it wiggled too much so i shimmed it a tiny bit with plastic metal
23/03/2010 6:54:41 PM james
doesnt miss a shot
23/03/2010 6:56:04 PM Lon
have you full auto'd it ?
23/03/2010 6:57:50 PM james
no it still doesnt work
23/03/2010 6:58:00 PM james
i didnt mess arround with that part
23/03/2010 7:01:05 PM Lon
do you need instructions on how to put the slide on?
23/03/2010 7:01:52 PM james
its simple isnt it?
23/03/2010 7:03:03 PM Lon
it is, all you need is a 0.9mm allen key
23/03/2010 7:04:27 PM james
i dont think i do
23/03/2010 7:05:18 PM Lon
i'm going to look to see if i have a spare
23/03/2010 7:06:00 PM Lon
usualy comes in the cased sets, i got mine at walmart
I prepare to ship out the slide but was recommended not to as he did not send any proof of the SL8 having JG internals, or the glock having problems. I waited a week for the SL8 but nothing came, I asked him and told me he will only ship it when he gets a working auto-glock.

24/03/2010 12:57:00 AM Lon
hey james when are you going to ship the sl8?
25/03/2010 11:56:01 AM
when this glock fires auto man

So I'm thinking to myself, what the fuck?

He has both guns and he is not willing to ship the SL8 back. I was very accommodating trying to compensate him to the best of my ability and in the end, he holds the SL-8 hostage.

You don’t walk into a store asking for an exchange without the item in question in hand to return.

27/03/2010 6:46:48 PM w|L -
hey james you ship the sl8 yet or what?
27/03/2010 7:08:48 PM james
i told you man untill i have this gun totally functiopnal metal slide and magpull shit n all i will send it
27/03/2010 7:10:34 PM w|L -
sorry man but that's just fishy
28/03/2010 6:01:15 PM james
ok well its not fishy im just covering my ass k our agreement wich was more than fair and in fact a benifet for you was an automatic glock and a magpul angle grip for the sl8
28/03/2010 6:02:13 PM james
my glock does not have a metal slide and does not fire auto and i havent recived it so i assure you you will get this sl8 back when the transaction is complete
29/03/2010 7:34:37 PM w|L
Sorry buddy, you showed no proof that the ca sl8 was troublesome, I'm just covering my ass
29/03/2010 7:34:57 PM w|L
this isn't a charity
29/03/2010 7:46:44 PM james
if you thought even in the slightest that this wasnt true you wouldnt have sent the glock and thats how i know you switched out the mechbox.
29/03/2010 7:47:25 PM w|L
thought what wasnt true?
29/03/2010 7:47:26 PM james
ya that charity comment was stupid man
29/03/2010 7:47:46 PM w|L
sorry james i was just ticked off
29/03/2010 7:47:52 PM james w|L - if you thought i was lying about the sl8 then why did you send that glock so quick?
29/03/2010 7:48:12 PM james
i suggest you come clean dood
29/03/2010 7:48:21 PM james
i will when i have ann auto glock
29/03/2010 7:48:37 PM james
just take some time and listen here k look frm my point of view
29/03/2010 7:49:13 PM james
i buy a "classic army sl8 " and find out that the good part was missing
29/03/2010 7:49:14 PM w|L
i mean i was like wtf, he's not sending the sl-8 so i was a bit ticked off
29/03/2010 7:49:36 PM james
then i get an atomatic glock from you only for it to be missing the good part once again
29/03/2010 7:49:51 PM james
can you see why we all think you did the sl8 switchout?
29/03/2010 7:50:22 PM w|L
i understand that but I thought i had the slide and grip in my bag, an honest mistake on my part
29/03/2010 7:50:31 PM w|L -
whos we?
29/03/2010 7:50:54 PM james
i understand but i will not send this gun back to you untill i have my complete package that we agreed on
29/03/2010 7:51:19 PM james
i have the asc moderators invlved now
29/03/2010 7:51:29 PM w|L
29/03/2010 7:51:46 PM james
thats fine
29/03/2010 7:51:58 PM james
coz i was the one who got ripped here
29/03/2010 7:52:13 PM w|L
yeah but your refusing to do anything about it
29/03/2010 7:52:26 PM james
this being said the asc group has stated that i do not send anything untill the agreement is fullfilled
29/03/2010 7:53:07 PM james
and untill i have a metal slide and magpul grip as stated and agreed then this substandard sl8 remains here
29/03/2010 7:53:34 PM w|L
i've been recommended not to ship anymore items out until i have proof that the sl8 is what you claim
29/03/2010 7:53:55 PM w|L
like come on you have 6 trader ratings
29/03/2010 7:54:17 PM james w|L
tell them to contact bryan romaniuk the head tech at winnipeg manitobas xtreme tactics
29/03/2010 7:54:28 PM w|L - james whats his asc handle?
29/03/2010 7:56:11 PM james
29/03/2010 7:56:17 PM james
that is his name on asc
29/03/2010 7:56:47 PM james
now his word will be taken seriously because he is a highly revered tech
29/03/2010 7:57:37 PM james
so once again this is how i will be doing this
29/03/2010 7:59:05 PM james
im sorry but i am a business that doesnt rip people off and many across the asc realm will testify to this
29/03/2010 7:59:12 PM w|L -
look i dont care who says what, if I can't see it for myself it's irrelevant
29/03/2010 7:59:57 PM w|L
look you dont go into a store and exchange something without having the proof and merchandise
29/03/2010 8:00:05 PM w|L
do you get what i am saying?
29/03/2010 8:00:06 PM james
every comment you have made so far is indicative of a person that would switch out a mechbox on somone
29/03/2010 8:00:16 PM w|L
I'll gladly ship it out, but right now I dont have anything
29/03/2010 8:00:52 PM james
and you have my word if this glock fires in full auto and my m4 has a grip on it you will have that sl8
29/03/2010 8:01:13 PM james
but as it stands my trust in you has depleted
29/03/2010 8:01:20 PM w|L
well what assurances do i have of you returning anything?
29/03/2010 8:01:47 PM james
that i paid you 475 for a shit gun thats how
29/03/2010 8:01:58 PM james
and im not being a fucking dick yet
29/03/2010 8:02:29 PM james w|L - but im being pushed and my money and my studios money is a huge deal to us
29/03/2010 8:02:47 PM james
we dont run a two bit operation here
29/03/2010 8:03:03 PM james
we are business men and we know how to deal with the sale of lemons
29/03/2010 8:04:02 PM james
so i suggest you tell your asc contacts to contact malfactor and you will have all the truth you need
29/03/2010 8:04:27 PM james
then you can decide whether im burning you or not
29/03/2010 8:05:23 PM james
i have work to do now so please by all means get the hiarchy involved they will know exactly what im going through
29/03/2010 8:05:56 PM w|L
I'll contact him
29/03/2010 8:06:46 PM james
i will know wether you do or not too so i suggest you get an asc rep to join you

Then communication cease ... I am trying my best accommodate him but lack of trust seems to be the issue here.

His lack of technical knowledge is stopping me from sending the slide to him to install himself as he stated he never touched a mechbox. He might or might not screw something up and end up keeping all items. He gives me no assurances that he will ship the item back and his attitude does not help. His conflicting stories regarding studio work and not firing the glock even once but finds out it is broken troubles me.

I'm very hesitant to ship anymore things as I'm not getting any proof of claims or the SL8 or the Glock, I asked him to provide some pictures but provided nothing. He gas both the CA SL-8 and the new KSC G23F, and I have only the amount for the SL-8.

Here are James last words....

Quote: said (9:58 AM): actually this the last your gonna hear from me i know what yuoour doing i know what you did to me and i know your doing it again so i think we are even now i got my moneys worth with 2 crappy guns. thanks for nothing and i will be notifying the public on asc to check their guns if they were purchased from you said (9:59 AM):
never con a man in the film industry coz this is gonna bite you in the ass i assure you


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