You beat me to the punch Icetray.
Winters, you raised an interesting point. That got my attention so I had a look at the thread.
I am a little embarrassed at the level of civility of 80% of the responses here.
As a relative newcomer, I tell you in no uncertain terms, that if this was a conversation I heard at a game, with a young fellow in hearing..I...never mind.
Lets just say I would not be impressed, and I doubt I would recommend the group to others.
I will say, you ever talk to my kid like this, you would not hear the end of it.
Come on folks, raise the bar a bit.