Originally Posted by T-Hell View Post
I look at it this way.... People (under age - or otherwise) will play airsoft we can't control that right.....
Of course we can, this is our sport to protect and it is our right to.
well yes we play it so if that makes us the official body sure I guess so... but like i said people don't need ASC's permission to play in Canada only need permission here to buy guns from ASC so really the sport is open.
so what we can control is their opinions of the "Airsoft community" and when these people get old enough they will either be part of or be apart from the community.
By showing them that we will not bend the rules for them no matter how creative or mature they play themselves off to be, this one isn't very mature as he's already displayed his spoiled brat attitude of "I'm gonna do it whether you like it or not
Ok well yes we can be inflexibe and not bend but sooner or later these "kids" will be old enough and basically look back on ASC and say "Screw them" so is that what you really want. l
Please lets stop bashing underage players...
No one's bashing this guy, it's a stupid idea and he isn't the one responsible, you sound like you have a chip on your shoulder from being bashed yourself.
Nope never been bashed here but I see it a lot here just the attitude once many of the ASC community finds out that the person is underage changes and I am sure if you took a pole of the -18's they would say that they feel less then welcome by ASC... IMHO... We all have our opinion on his idea but he is not asking our opinions on the idea just looking for ideas on what to include on the field... it is obvious that he has not heard of MAA or any other fields like XT or Ambush so he is searching out information and asking the more learned (us) about it. if his parents agree and put up the structures etc well it is their land so be it..
All I am saying here is if you don't have something good to say and all that comes out is comments that are demeaning or just telling him it is stupid and he should wait well then why even read it...
Remember that these folks will be the future field owners and suppliers etc and they will remember the treatment they received here.
Future field owners? learning patience is a valuable thing, having the discipline to wait would help build character
Agree but face it none of us likes to wait for things. why should he be any different.
I agree that on an organized basis (ie with the MAA) 18+ is the way to go but I have played at Ambush Airsoft (an outdoor speedball field) there were 15 year olds on the field and they called their hits, played with honor and had lots of fun...
Sounds like fuckery to me, this Ambush thing, but thats just my opinion, some people will do anything for money
Actually there are 2 places that let minors play Xtreme Tactics (indoor airsoft CQB ) and Ambush Anonymous Airsoft. and yes they both charge $ to play but it is a controlled atmosphere that is supervised.
so please lets just stop..... stop bashing young players... they will play if they are going to play and there is really nothing we can do...
again no one bashed this guy, he's obviously not responsible for the health of people playing on his field, and too young to understand this. and YES we can do something, the same thing we have always done when someone wants to buy a gun underage, or play at an even underage, tell them NO!
I am quite sure that if you asked him he would consider some of the tones of the messages to be hostile... why not just ignore the post if you don't agree. really if he is going to he is going to get his father to join buy him a gun and do what he wants with or without our consent right... he will play regardless either on our fields where WE can control it or in his back yard where public may see it and bring negative attention... he will play anyway so why not have us govern it and teach him the right versus the wrong way...
instead of chasing them from our organizations we should welcome them in and show them the safe and proper way to do things... this way when they do turn 18 and continue to play we will not have to get bad traits out of them when they play with us eventually..
No one's chasing him, telling him that this isn't a good idea is not chasing him, if that isn't what he wants to hear then he can leave but no one told him to GTFO, about Bad Traits, what do you think we as experienced players do when we get new people? we fucking teach them the ropes, we don't depend on some retarded Airsoft "Little League" to teach them these skills, something like this Ambush thing only helps legitimize underage airsoft and is not a good thing at all.
By some people using forceful language against him and basically telling him he is not mature etc we are chasing him away... I would rather have him play at Ambush or XT or with the MAA versus shooting his gun in his yard at a cat or dog or whatever... sounds extreme but I am sure it happens.
so please folks lets act like the "PROFESSIONALS" we profess to be... so far when i see someone who is not AV'd here and is under age all i see is them being met with hostility.
Professionals? no one here gets paid to play airsoft, so I don't know where you are going with that, maybe because we use "Pro-grade" guns according to buyairsoft.ca hehehhehe
Professionalism is an attitude too... You don't get paid...? Just kidding.... but seriously we are the airsoft community in Canada and we need to have a professional attitude and by swearing at this guy we don't really show it much...
the people who run the board opened it up (or sections of it) to -18's so if you don't want to deal with underage people then please confine yourself to the 18+ sections then there will be no need for you to be hostile...
Again, this community AS A WHOLE believes in the 18+ rule, this isn't something we just came up with to kill this kid's buzz
Agree but a lot of people I see who post that are under 18 usually get whipped pretty hard on here just for asking a question... sure some of them are Noob questions (believe me I see them as a professional photographer) - What is the best wedding camera? bla bla bla... but ragging on the guy is just kind of mean...
Actually he kind of started in interesting topic (obviously lost by now) but a topic such as Making an Airsoft field may be of interest... who knows some adult out there who is sitting on a few acres may be interested and then boom we have another place to play....
Remember Airsoft is a sport and a game... please treat it accordingly...
Correction, it's a growing sport and it doesn't need any unneccessary publicity or attention in this gun fearing country of ours, which is why we try to protect it from damage by those not responsible enough
actually it does need publicity... good publicity and education of the public... what is it, why do we do it, is it just a bunch of people who the Army rejected who get their rocks off shooting others? (Example questions not my thoughts) we need to encourage people to learn and be tolerant of Airsoft then people can relax and we don't have to play a closet sport.
sorry to others who have had to read this... a am almost sorry I posted here as It has sparked a debate and taken it way off topic.