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15thKnight February 13th, 2009 00:46

Noob time #3 (downgrading)
 
Ok my next and hopefully last noob question before I start playing.

I have a Kraken ak-47 that shoots about 380ish but defcon games is a cap of about 340 (I believe)

I also have a general knowledge of replacing the spring, but were and what spring would i use?

Shirley February 13th, 2009 00:49

M100 = 330 to 350fps

KhaosGott February 13th, 2009 00:49

pretty sure an m100 will do you fine.
I've also heard that you can install a spring backwards to decrease the fps, may or may not work good enough. may also be damaging to your gun.
(certain I seen CDN_Stalker say this)

Shirley February 13th, 2009 00:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by KhaosGott (Post 918449)
pretty sure an m100 will do you fine.
I've also heard that you can install a spring backwards to decrease the fps, may or may not work good enough. may also be damaging to your gun.
(certain I seen CDN_Stalker say this)

Wtf? There's really no difference in doing that. How would you know whats the front and the rear from packaging?
That's false.

pusangani February 13th, 2009 00:54

the side with the tighter coils goes with the spring guide, but yeh nothing beats getting a lower powered spring

Shirley February 13th, 2009 00:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by pusangani (Post 918451)
the side with the tighter coils goes with the spring guide, but yeh nothing beats getting a lower powered spring

Omg? I need to check my gun..

KhaosGott February 13th, 2009 00:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by pusangani (Post 918451)
the side with the tighter coils goes with the spring guide, but yeh nothing beats getting a lower powered spring

yeah, I know there is a front and backside (weirdly enough) but to be safe, just get a lower spring... unless you are a very cheap bastard! lol

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Hitman (Post 918452)
Omg? I need to check my gun..

hahaha, weird is it not?

The Acer February 13th, 2009 00:58

I don't quite see how a spring will be more weak just because its backwards.
If someone can post the theory up why this is??

also you could just cut your spring down,

here is the ASC spring chart

http://www.airsoftcanada.com/SpringChart.php

KhaosGott February 13th, 2009 01:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by CDN_Stalker (Post 907901)
Reversed spring will knock off up to 30fps, cheap way to reduce the fps if a bit too hot without having to buy another spring. He should be getting 370-410fps out of the springs he has, so it's likely an airleak or it's a chrony issue.

http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=75732

found it
sorry hitman, it's true lol.

Styrak February 13th, 2009 01:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Hitman (Post 918452)
Omg? I need to check my gun..

Lol. PsuedoGundoctorFail. Not that it will harm anything, but you may not be getting the optimal FPS if it's a non-linear spring and it's backwards.

15thKnight February 13th, 2009 01:23

so am100 would drop me to about 330?

TokyoSeven February 13th, 2009 04:49

The M100 should put you in the range you are looking for.
If you are afraid it will not or are looking for something less I would like to suggest the modify S90.

LUTNIT February 13th, 2009 14:19

+1

I installed a Prometheus Ms90 in an AKS-74U I sold and it chronied 330fps with .20 Bastards. Tightbore and airseal nozzle though, both add to the fps due to tighter seal while firing.

green_ninja February 25th, 2009 23:53

here's my 2 cents on non-linear springs.

let's look at the dynamics of the spring system in general. When any spring is compressed in free space, it will emit an equal amount of force on both ends.

now, when it comes to non-linear springs, it does matter which side goes front/back. What makes the difference is in the mass of the spring. One side is heavier than the other when balanced from the center (closely spaced side = heavy; widely spaced side = light).

If we install the heavy side forward, this will add mass and inertia to the moving piston which in turn causes the force of the spring to be reduced. Reduced force onto the piston means lower fps. Vice-Versa, lighter side of spring forward means less mass and inertia to piston causing more force from spring. More force from spring means higher fps, yay! Refer to my diagram attached.

http://fc53.deviantart.com/fs42/f/20...ifujiedyou.jpg

This could explain the results from "jugglez" and "Stalker" from reversing these springs.

Shirley February 25th, 2009 23:56

Oh, so my spring is not like that. Okay cool. I'm good then.


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