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wildcard April 8th, 2013 02:33

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Originally Posted by Ricochet (Post 1781379)
$2000.00 is good price wise because of what you get, and I concur that it's well worth it. I imagine they'll come down more in the next few years because of companies like FCC.

I'm with Brad on the pros and cons, but eventually FCC should be better all around. They should focus on places Systema flopped, or where mediocre first. Mastering that is what guys like MacGuyver and myself have been waiting for. Its too bad you didn't get to come down to Calgary Mac, I'd have loved to see you pick FCC's brain. I have my own opinions and experiences as being a long time Systema owner, heavy heavy user, and doctor; but I still defer to Mac as the foremost expert.

The cost of the new FTW is priced very competitively when compared to a similarly equiped PTW, the prototype minus the ambi selector will be available for review, which will be posted here as soon as its finished, from what I've seen the color is not as fine as the finished products but the guts and internals are great. initial firing test is great just waiting for the prototype to arrive to complete some field testing before the final QC is finished and products is launched. FCC Valued their customer opinions and comments whether its bad or good, they actually encourage their customer to give them the opinions and comments, for FCC the comments and end user feedback is very important to help them further improve their products.

siglynn April 9th, 2013 00:23

What I would like to know what are the fps ratings on the FCC cyclenders and who has the better hop up FCC or DT. I would be greatful for the info also who is a FCC dealer here because would like to get a 416 compote upper.
Thanks:rocket:

mcguyver April 9th, 2013 01:22

The FCC hopup uses a square spring, and a factory Systema as well as a modified hopup use hard silicone rubber cushions. The spring is going to be more linear, however is not as strong as the cushions. The cushions are vastly more affected by temperature snd stiffen up when cold, something the spring doesn't do. A strong spring is required to apply maximum pressure from the adjuster onto the BB.

A modified hopup uses a 3MM adjuster while the FCC is 2MM as well as the 2012 factory adjuster. It is fine, but the larger adjuster will form around the top of the BB once it is bedded in.

I personally prefer a modified hopup, but would like to replace the cushions with a stronger spring. FCC has the right idea, but the spring strength needs to increase by a large amount, something I am not sure can be done with the existing design of the adjuster cage. This is probably the reason why rubber cushions have been used for so many years and through all design changes.

There are pros and cons to both.

wildcard April 9th, 2013 09:01

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Originally Posted by siglynn (Post 1782032)
What I would like to know what are the fps ratings on the FCC cyclenders and who has the better hop up FCC or DT. I would be greatful for the info also who is a FCC dealer here because would like to get a 416 compote upper.
Thanks:rocket:

DTT is the only official dealer in Canada for now, Chris is a great guy to deal with.

wildcard April 9th, 2013 09:03

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Originally Posted by mcguyver (Post 1782042)
The FCC hopup uses a square spring, and a factory Systema as well as a modified hopup use hard silicone rubber cushions. The spring is going to be more linear, however is not as strong as the cushions. The cushions are vastly more affected by temperature snd stiffen up when cold, something the spring doesn't do. A strong spring is required to apply maximum pressure from the adjuster onto the BB.

A modified hopup uses a 3MM adjuster while the FCC is 2MM as well as the 2012 factory adjuster. It is fine, but the larger adjuster will form around the top of the BB once it is bedded in.

I personally prefer a modified hopup, but would like to replace the cushions with a stronger spring. FCC has the right idea, but the spring strength needs to increase by a large amount, something I am not sure can be done with the existing design of the adjuster cage. This is probably the reason why rubber cushions have been used for so many years and through all design changes.

There are pros and cons to both.

on all their 2013 FTW, complete rifles and hop up kits will have the stronger spring, I too prefer the modified Hop but in winter its a pain as Brad say it will stiff/freeze on you. I have used both in extreme winter conditions (-25 -30C) and the FCC hop have no issue

deltaop1 April 10th, 2013 22:57

Would you happen to know if the 2013 FTW's are able to use PTW Pmags?

I ask because I understand that the FCC 416's have fitment issues using the PTW Pmags.

Any information would be appreciated, thanks.

wildcard April 10th, 2013 23:08

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Originally Posted by deltaop1 (Post 1782852)
Would you happen to know if the 2013 FTW's are able to use PTW Pmags?

I ask because I understand that the FCC 416's have fitment issues using the PTW Pmags.

Any information would be appreciated, thanks.

The FCC416D does have issue with the PMags, but the new M3 mags will fit. I have to wait till the Prototype arrive before I can confirm, but according to FCC they are made to fit with every mag I will confirm this when the FTW arrive sometime this week.

Enjoi April 11th, 2013 17:49

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Originally Posted by wildcard (Post 1776167)
Well if you get a stock systema around say $1800 you could never leave it stock so sent out the motor and Hop up + $100, rails +$200, aftermarket body +$200, upgrade stocks & mini ECU + $300 (conservative), other furniture and blings +$150 so in the end it's quite an amount still and you still have to waterproof the boards and no burst unless you buy it direct from Systema

So in the end its still economical to the general population to get the FCC. much like some players here who have owned multiple PTW I was one of teh doubters of this company I can't believe that a small company from HK can fix the issues that a large company like Systema have failed to acknowledge or fixed but the quality of some o ftheir parts and the result won me over to the point where I ditch almost all of my PTW for their custom build model, even the one Tony build with all the Prime body sexiness. Like Brad said in teh earlier post BNIB sometimes are not BNIB unless you know the owner personally.

Not to play a critical Noob here but....What If I didnt need any of that stuff? I understand the hop up mod, but I dont need rails and an aftermarket body or anything like that. I know I need Batteries,Mags,Cylinders for a Systema Startup which to me takes precedence over those other things. I may be just one out of many who decide to go the other route, but I never really liked "blinging" out my gun lol.

I bought a Rail for my RS Type 97 but left it off and preferred to use my Iron Sights, Same thing for my RS Type56 Though I had some work done to the Mechbox.

Im not biased towards either gun, but The feel and performance would definately get me.

wildcard April 11th, 2013 20:54

Well I guess it's up to you whether the FTW is for you but for me personally its a good buy and they also come with a three month end user warranty, something that I don't think any other TW have and their after sales support is great. FCC have been known for their bling out race gun aside from their limited 416 and XM the rest have been based on a tactical race rifle

MASAKO April 11th, 2013 21:59

Look interesting, Once I have more break from my recent open restaurant. I will have to grab one or two of those.

Honestly, I used to be Systema fan but be able to buy a product come with a good warranty, great communication and great product from the start would save me time on the mod and spend more on the field.

The same thing apply to real steel product, once I start to spend more than 2k, I expect the manufacture will take care their warranty and start to improve their product, it's not really a cheap toy.

wildcard April 11th, 2013 22:02

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Originally Posted by MASAKO (Post 1783324)
Look interesting, Once I have more break from my recent open restaurant. I will have to grab one or two of those.

Honestly, I used to be Systema fan but be able to buy a product come with a good warranty, great communication and great product from the start would save me time on the mod and spend more on the field.

The same thing apply to real steel product, once I start to spend more than 2k, I expect the manufacture will take care their warranty and start to improve their product, it's not really a cheap toy.

Lol better hope you don't have a break for at least two to three years otherwise you are in trouble. Keep an eye out for some new arrival announcement either here or on the FCC Canada facebook.

MASAKO April 11th, 2013 22:22

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Originally Posted by wildcard (Post 1783330)
Lol better hope you don't have a break for at least two to three years otherwise you are in trouble. Keep an eye out for some new arrival announcement either here or on the FCC Canada facebook.

Nah ! not really, I still love airsoft but my schedule is very tight, being a chef yourself, you should how hard to take a break and the worst is when you owe the restaurant yourself. I stop counting my hour once I start it. Real steel is quite adorable, the range only 10 minutes from my place so always have one of two hours to drop by.

Anyway, the great thing about FCC is be able to fix the problem right from the start, listen to their customer, honor their product and warranty. That's the great way of starting business from the start whereas systema just simply take our money and quite but I have respect for them to be the mother company, still again it's not a cheap toy to be left miserable when you try to source their new parts to replace the broken one.

Sorry for my rant. I must be drinking too much Guru.

wildcard April 12th, 2013 00:19

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Originally Posted by MASAKO (Post 1783348)
Nah ! not really, I still love airsoft but my schedule is very tight, being a chef yourself, you should how hard to take a break and the worst is when you owe the restaurant yourself. I stop counting my hour once I start it. Real steel is quite adorable, the range only 10 minutes from my place so always have one of two hours to drop by.

Anyway, the great thing about FCC is be able to fix the problem right from the start, listen to their customer, honor their product and warranty. That's the great way of starting business from the start whereas systema just simply take our money and quite but I have respect for them to be the mother company, still again it's not a cheap toy to be left miserable when you try to source their new parts to replace the broken one.

Sorry for my rant. I must be drinking too much Guru.

Amen to that, its hennesy for me after some crazy nights which seems to be very often these days.

wildcard April 12th, 2013 19:37

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Exclusive limited release 416D, FCC tango down grips, 115 cylinder, Full CNC 416D body, functioning ambi gear selector, full auto and tri burst capable, FCC mini ECU

MASAKO April 12th, 2013 20:13

Please stop teasing me. I'm going to hate you soon.


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