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BloodSport October 2nd, 2015 14:16

Age Verifications
 
As some of you may or may not have noticed, the staff and verifiers of ASC forums have been working hard to get our lists updated and easier to navigate for those of you looking to gain age verifications.

There has been countless hours put into this process, and still more to do (the Ontario and Quebec lists are still a work in progress).

Also each province now has an extra point of contact being added to the lists, there is a "Master" AV rep that has stepped forward to help keep the lists and reps updated. In the event you have questions or issues reaching a rep in your region these Master AVers are there to help provide you with additional support in tracking down someone, or redirecting you to you next closest rep.

Please visit: http://airsoftcanada.com/forumdisplay.php?f=273 for all your Age Verification needs.

Hectic October 2nd, 2015 14:27

Thanks!!
I've been watching the posts pop up and seeing the list come together.
Thank's for all your hard work guys n gals!!

Datawraith October 2nd, 2015 14:32

This is great news!

Big thanks to all the staff at ASC for doing this!

Estrela November 2nd, 2015 17:52

Ive been waiting for a month and a half to get AVed... Just want to get some used guns dude..

dkt November 14th, 2015 22:39

I messaged two age verifiers in Winnipeg, MB. through PM and also through email. I hope they see the messages so I can get Age Verified soon.

BloodSport December 8th, 2015 13:08

All lists are now current and updated again thanks to some very diligent and hard work by our head Age Verifiers who stepped up to assist with checking in with their provinces verifiers monthly to ensure they are active and still looking to be on the lists.

Please note we are looking for some additional verifiers in a few regions, if you are in one of these areas please apply as directed in the forum rules and FAQs for review.

We have also recently added a few more admins to assist with the verification update process and since they were added most verifications once submitted are being processed within a few days now.

Hopefully this helps and reduces some of the drama from the system which is one of the largest in existence and has members not only from within Canada but other countries who have been verified in person to access our buy/sell and age restricted sections.

Props to both our volunteer staff force, as well as our membership who makes ASC what it is, a strong source of information/reviews, and hopefully will continue to be into the future.

BloodSport December 14th, 2015 11:40

Average time from information being submitted to AV tags appearing is currently under 2 days with the new admins assistance and updates to our system.

As of now the only delays is people saying they have asked for verifications but not actually contacted any of the reps in their actual areas.......

Read the FAQ and information in the AV regional rep section of the forums, all lists are currently listing only active reps who have confirmed their activity on a mothly basis via check ins.

The onus is now completely back on the person wanting to be verifier carrying out their half of the process currently!!

Once again huge thanks to our volunteer AV reps and Staff for making a huge step and helping streamline the process again!

Malinak December 21st, 2015 07:52

It says that I am age verified, but I cannot reply to any threads in the classified section. I cannot understand why, I am hoping you can help.

Kozzie December 21st, 2015 09:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malinak (Post 1966942)
It says that I am age verified, but I cannot reply to any threads in the classified section. I cannot understand why, I am hoping you can help.

Only the original poster can reply to ads in the classified section. This keeps the ads from being cluttered/smeared and prematurely bumped. If you want to contact a seller do so by PM.

BloodSport December 21st, 2015 14:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malinak (Post 1966942)
It says that I am age verified, but I cannot reply to any threads in the classified section. I cannot understand why, I am hoping you can help.

It's been that way for 10+ years now to prevent premature bumps and spam.

BioRage December 21st, 2015 14:32

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Private messaging is the way of the future.

Malinak December 21st, 2015 14:35

Oh hell, forgot all about that.
Its been a long, long time since I posted anything on ASC classifieds.

BloodSport March 16th, 2017 14:15

Bumping this thread as I have received 20 PM's in the past 7 days from people all over the place asking for me to verify them with photos over the internet.

ALL VERIFICATIONS ARE DONE IN PERSON ONLY!!!!!

Stop PM'ing me trying to bypass this as I'm going to start handing out infractions for people being too DAMNED LAZY TO READ and trying to cheat the system.

RainyEyes March 16th, 2017 14:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by BloodSport (Post 2001001)
Bumping this thread as I have received 20 PM's in the past 7 days from people all over the place asking for me to verify them with photos over the internet.

Any of them hot?

Desmodus March 16th, 2017 15:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainyEyes (Post 2001003)
Any of them hot?

For an airsoft forum? Doubt it.

BioRage March 16th, 2017 17:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Desmodus (Post 2001006)
For an airsoft forum? Doubt it.

You're hot doe.

#lotsodhomo

RainyEyes March 16th, 2017 18:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Desmodus (Post 2001006)
For an airsoft forum? Doubt it.

Explains why you're here ;)

Desmodus March 16th, 2017 20:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainyEyes (Post 2001017)
Explains why you're here ;)

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/...96/564/2f7.jpg

BloodSport May 11th, 2017 10:57

Reminder Age Verifications are only Done IN PERSON!! Stop trying to bypass the system as it is the system that those here enforce and uphold.

Sending PM's like this:
Quote:

Originally Posted by agent-smith
hey so i read through your post in regards to age verification and while it is a great system i feel like there should be an online way to verify age as well even if its for those people like me who clearly look way older then 18 . my problem being while i really enjoy air soft with friends and brothers due to some personal reasons im not a very social person with new people in a personal setting meaning i barely ever step foot in an air soft shop or range . but would still very much like to participate in these forums . im also in the middle of nowhere most days though i do travel to Toronto a few days a week . anyway if there is a way i could avoid going to a shop to be verified i would greatly appreciate it. thanks for your time have a great day

Will not help you out in anyway, shape or form!

Just because you look old enough means jack shit especially online, make up and shit can make anyone look older. Hell when I was 14 with zero help from prosthesis/make up and such, I was buying booze and smokes with ease because I looked old enough! In Person Only means In Person ONLY!

Ricochet May 12th, 2017 00:28

Also it takes away the anonymity and makes you part of the community. Verifying age is just part of it.

Scotian May 12th, 2017 15:07

Contacted all of the Age Veris in Halifax and surrounding area and to no Avail i have not got a response back from anyone

I am 35 Years old and would like to get this Done As soon as possible
can anyone on here Point me in the direction

Thank you

BloodSport May 29th, 2017 12:08

How simple do we need to make how to get Age Verified information available... seriously you figured out I am one of the people to contact regarding AV issues, but you cant figure out who to contact.....

Quote:

Originally Posted by WombatRoo
Good Evening, Sorry to bother you I was just wondering about how i can get my age verified to access the classifieds or any account features if you can find the time please get back to me as soon as possible thanks and have a wonderful day! :)


Datawraith May 29th, 2017 12:38

Ouch, I feel for you admins having to constantly put up with this.

Maybe make it so that new accounts can't access anything until they read the AV FAQ thread? And do a quiz on it? :P (Maybe not the quiz)

BioRage May 29th, 2017 12:56

Maybe all AV'ers should have a giant signature.

NEED TO GET AGE VERIFIED?> CLICK HERE <

BloodSport May 29th, 2017 13:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Datawraith (Post 2005849)
Ouch, I feel for you admins having to constantly put up with this.

Maybe make it so that new accounts can't access anything until they read the AV FAQ thread? And do a quiz on it? :P (Maybe not the quiz)

When people wonder why we do not always respond right away its because some of us sift through 30+ of these almost daily....... Can not wait till you can reach out and slap someone via pm (oh wait I did that once already to Ziming).

RainyEyes May 29th, 2017 13:46

If I could make a suggestion...

Maybe we could have a sticky on the front page that stands out for new forum visitors. It would be a lot more helpful than the ASC facebook post or the one about hotmail... that space is really underutilized I feel and for the past 1+ year that space has been used for the Rememberance day name change donation event that happened about 2 years ago.

I found a lot of the forums to be super user unfriendly. It's hard to find rules since it's stickied under "asc news and announcements" rather than the NEWB TANK which was my first instinct to browse when I first started. Why would someone new to the forums look into the news and announcements when they want to get basic information about how to use the site?

When I first joined I had to sift through 20+ pages before I had to learn about an actual AVer from word of mouth in-person. For people who know how to navigate the forums, this isn't a problem for people like you or me.

For people who are new to the forums, the forums should be able to detect when a new IP accesses the site and a pop-up should prompt to advise the user to read the rules and actually lead people where they want to go.

This thread in particular: http://airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=88238

has a hyperlink to the following under "getting age verified" http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=11474

It's dead.


No wonder newbies are having a hard time! Old threads need to be purged or cleaned up/updated. Volunteers need to be recruited.

The site is really old and needs a good update in general.

BloodSport May 30th, 2017 12:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainyEyes (Post 2005856)
If I could make a suggestion...

Maybe we could have a sticky on the front page that stands out for new forum visitors. It would be a lot more helpful than the ASC facebook post or the one about hotmail... that space is really underutilized I feel and for the past 1+ year that space has been used for the Rememberance day name change donation event that happened about 2 years ago.

you realize this post is on the main page right?

RainyEyes May 30th, 2017 16:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by BloodSport (Post 2005909)
you realize this post is on the main page right?

Yes I am aware now that you've pointed it out. It is also from 2015 and the 4th post from the top and completely out of my line of sight.

Everything else in my previous post though.. still stands. Forums need a lot of cleaning up and reorganizing.

BloodSport May 30th, 2017 20:21

well the rules are in the FAQ section and stickied there, as it a FAQ about age verifications with active links which is also stickied.
This thread and another in the news section are also stickied already.

Want to retype a few of the others and have time go for it, then PM me the thread link and the modified version, I will gladly copy and paste it in.

You talk about volunteers, a lot of our volunteer base is from the AVers, which as we get to know them more usually are ones who then get asked about becoming moderators for ones we see super active and doing little extras behind the scenes. Why have you not volunteered yet?

RainyEyes May 30th, 2017 23:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by BloodSport (Post 2005937)
well the rules are in the FAQ section and stickied there, as it a FAQ about age verifications with active links which is also stickied.
This thread and another in the news section are also stickied already.

Want to retype a few of the others and have time go for it, then PM me the thread link and the modified version, I will gladly copy and paste it in.

You talk about volunteers, a lot of our volunteer base is from the AVers, which as we get to know them more usually are ones who then get asked about becoming moderators for ones we see super active and doing little extras behind the scenes. Why have you not volunteered yet?

I don't volunteer because I don't believe that the forums in its current state is worthwhile to invest my time in.

The forums as they are leave a lot to be desired. For example, over and over again we have posts regarding the purpose of age verification and why it's a self governance decision but they never explain to my satisfaction exactly WHY that is and WHAT.

Follow the train of thought: what is AV and why do I need it?

I'll click on this link: http://airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=162068

It will tell me to read the following: http://airsoftcanada.com/forumdisplay.php?f=273 (links back to the AV province page gives no info to me at all what's there) -> then i will click on this: http://airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=162052

The page then reads: ...

The regional representative will look at your ID, ensure you are who you say you are, that you are 18 years of age or older, and record your REAL name, Date of Birth, AND your ASC USER NAME.

but one thing that I found crucial that was missing was citing an actual statute/law. This is the compelling part. People need to know that this is a law abiding forum and not some identity theft ring... For example: http://www.ontla.on.ca/web/bills/bil...t=&BillID=2493

That is the bill that cites that one must be 18 to buy an airsoft gun.


That being said I volunteer with other organizations but it is volunteering my free time and ASC isn't something I would like to advertise in its current state. I have close friends who were active in the airsoft scene and decided not to get AV. As an onlooker from outside the forums, the site does look shady AF sometimes, especially when someone is either young or unfamiliar with the mannerisms of the internet... it's very intimidating to meet people online.

As for finding you dead links and obtaining modified links... I have no idea how to do that. I referenced this ASC link earlier: http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=11474
that was retrieved from http://airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=88238 under #3... that post was from 2009 and I have no context as to where that thread leads.

Another stickied post: http://airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=93431
dead link in thread indicating "click here for help": http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=49408


tl;dr
Right now I'm not saying that the AV system sucks or that I don't want to be an AVer. Believe me I wanted to apply since day 1 when I rode my bike to Colin_S' house but I knew I had to be more known in the community before applying. Right now I feel the forums need more moderators than AVer's and cleaning up dead threads has been a neglected priority because there's just TOO MUCH INFORMATION and not enough time to read it all.

BloodSport May 31st, 2017 11:53

so basically you are a nit picker and look for reasons to fight the system. nuff said, dont bother volunteering, but at the same time save your excuses for someone else.

RainyEyes May 31st, 2017 12:24

It's called volunteering not conscription... You get to choose which organization you want to volunteer for. So sure you can call it not picking but at the end of the day I don't get paid and I'm volunteering my time. And because it is my time I get to choose autonomously where to spend it.

Over the years I've noticed a lot of hostility to new forum members... Keeping them away, getting upset over asking stupid questions.

There's even a sticky in the newbie tank that you've essentially crucified to send a message to others about how not to ask questions. What kind of impression does that give to new users?

In the AV faq section you basically went 0 to 100 and flamed a Non-av member for stating facts. Sure he was too lazy but there's a WAY and time and place to say that he was lazy.

And, as always, your kind comments are welcome. Thanks for letting me know as well as the community that criticism is not welcome.

Danke May 31st, 2017 12:34

Maybe we need a couple special millennial age versifiers who are trained to work in safe spaces.

BloodSport May 31st, 2017 14:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainyEyes (Post 2005968)
It's called volunteering not conscription... You get to choose which organization you want to volunteer for. So sure you can call it not picking but at the end of the day I don't get paid and I'm volunteering my time. And because it is my time I get to choose autonomously where to spend it.

Over the years I've noticed a lot of hostility to new forum members... Keeping them away, getting upset over asking stupid questions.

There's even a sticky in the newbie tank that you've essentially crucified to send a message to others about how not to ask questions. What kind of impression does that give to new users?

In the AV faq section you basically went 0 to 100 and flamed a Non-av member for stating facts. Sure he was too lazy but there's a WAY and time and place to say that he was lazy.

And, as always, your kind comments are welcome. Thanks for letting me know as well as the community that criticism is not welcome.

There is criticism, then there is yours. There is many people working behind the scenes upgrading and fixing things all volunteers, they are volunteering, did you happen to notice how large ASC actually is? How much traffic it sees? Probably not since your so busy nitpicking what other volunteers are already working on fixing, while not offering support other then shit posting. That is not how to help fix, if you want to see the radical changes, then like I said feel free to help out by doing edits and sending them in for review and upgrades.

RainyEyes June 24th, 2017 11:12

So I just noticed i have a neat little subtitle under my name... very classy Bloodsport or whoever gave it to me. Even though this argument was almost a month old you decided to update it just now.

I thought I would just leave things alone but you go ahead and try to catch my attention with this so sure, I'll bite.

Honestly, do you WANT me to volunteer? In the last post you tell me to volunteer. The post before that you tell me NOT to volunteer.

For the past two weeks I've been waking up at 5 am and getting on a bus and in my spare time reporting all the cialis/money laundering bots that have been spamming the forums. Not your fault really, and it's not a permanent solution. But that was what you suggested wasn't it? To volunteer my time and help report the spam? Yet I'm greeted with a neat title like this.

Seriously bloodsport I'm getting some really mixed messages here about whether or not you actually want me on your team because right now I'm open to becoming an AV'er or moderator. BUT considering how management treats new members and current members, I'm more than a little skeptical about my voluntary involvement being greeted with open arms.

It's your forums so of course you get the final say. I'm okay with helping out but if you're going to be petty about it then i'm out.


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